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    Not even one serious international political commentator has any doubts that this is Israel's conflict fought by American boys.

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    • Every Iranian I know thrilled. They could care less who’s calling the shotsGnash
    • That's true of Iranian expats but what about in Iran itself? That's the problemyuekit
    • They celebrate there, as wellGnash
    • I read reports saying 70-80% or Iranians in Iran welcome it. Amongst young, educated city dwellers it's probably 100%. It's the islamists that are the problem_niko
    • if the Persians living abroad is any indication, there's no reason Tehran shouldn't be a world class city, richer, nicer and more advanced than Dubai._niko
    • Yeah but the people living abroad are definitely not representative. And a video clip of people in one town cheering doesn't tell you muchyuekit
    • There are a few polls that show encouraging numbers like you said but it's pretty thin info to go on if you're trying to engineer a change of government.yuekit
    • It’s not thin info, lol.Gnash
    • Didn't we already go through this with Iraq where people barely understood the political dynamics in the country before going to war?yuekit
    • It’s the American story, like s broken recordsPhanLo
    • the "Iranians in Iran are thrilled" info comes from news sources in Israel (then blindly quoted by NYT).pr2
    • I think these things can be true at the same time... government is very unpopular but polls conducted from outside Iran by Western pollsters probablyyuekit
    • overestimate that number. Also among the people who oppose the government, how many want USA and Israel to bomb their country and overthrow the government?yuekit
    • 50% of Iranians might love the regime and 50% might hate it but 100% hate Israel and US.pr2
    • who loves Israel and the US? even at home their governments are super unpopular._niko
    • globally, do they enjoy more than a 10% approval rating?_niko
    • Why would any country trust the US or Israel to help them out?PhanLo
    • now you're talkingrenderedred
    • You may think ‘they’ hate Israel and US, but the Persians love what they’re doing any way :)Gnash
    • The Iranians are happy now, their awful leader is out of their lives but what if US/Israel forces create a Ukraine type of situation there that lasts decades?CyBrainX
    • The Iranians wont be happy until the islamist occupiers are all gone, not just the whack-a-mole ayatollahs that will fill the holesGnash
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