Russia-Ukraine Invasion
Russia-Ukraine Invasion
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- yuekit1
Here's what the QBN Putin fan club ignores...
Russia never gave Ukraine the chance to negotiate...they lied again and again about their plans to invade Ukraine and insisted it was Western propaganda. The best evidence of this is that every Putin supporter also repeated this line before the invasion, including some of you.
https://www.euronews.com/2022/01…
After the invasion Ukraine was willing to make a deal where they wouldn't NATO. Putin rejected this and continued the war.
https://www.reuters.com/world/as…
The deal that was supposedly offered in Istanbul was a complete non-starter. It required Ukraine to reduce their military and control over their own sovereignty to the point where they could no longer defend against any future Russian attack.
https://www.understandingwar.org…
Since then Russia has refused to negotiate. So when people say Ukraine and people supporting them are the ones keeping the war going, what are they talking about exactly?
- *wouldn't join NATOyuekit
- Honestly. yuekit. You're trying to convince trolls. Trolls. Individuals — I can't even call them people — whose sole purpose is to piss people like you off.Continuity
- QBN Putin fan club are all trolls, stop feeding the trolls!YakuZoku
- Stop feeding them.
Stop trying to have an intelligent debate with them.
Ignore them.Continuity - They're pathetic things that only deserved to be mocked and thrown away like the rubbish they are.Continuity
- They aren't trolls in the sense of not believing what they post...unfortunately they really seem to be that dumb.yuekit
- Anyway this doesn't just apply to them but the people currently running the USA and anyone who repeats these narratives about Ukraine refusing to negotiate.yuekit
- No, dude.
They're trolls.
Bona fide.
The genuine article.
The real deal.Continuity - And they're paid in rubles.Continuity
- There was no surprise. Viktor Yushchenko was threatening the black sea fleet (russia) back in 2005, probably earlier. Russia threatened to take crimea back thenmonNom
- Poor ukraine wanted to be aligned with europe and shake off the russian's influence. But they had to know how dangerous that was.monNom
- Trolls as in they don't believe what they're posting? Not sure how you reached that conclusion.yuekit
- Anyway I've posted a total of maybe 3-4 times in this thread over the past year lol. Why are you directing this at me?yuekit
- Both russia and ukraine see this as existential. Russia for their black sea fleet, ukraine for their terrritory. Ukraine is in a very difficult place.monNom
- @monNom I'm talking specifically about what's happened since 2022 and Ukraine's alleged refusal to cut a deal.yuekit
- I'm directing this at you, yuekit, because you're trying to convince the un-convincable. Do they believe their drivel? Dunno. Probably.Continuity
- If Crimea was the only issue I think that would be relatively easy to find a resolution on BTW.yuekit
- But that doesn't matter, because you're not going to change their minds or win an argument.Continuity
- They're knuckle-dragging cretins who will remain knuckle-dragging cretins, no matter what you or anyone else does or says.Continuity
- Fair enough. Just making the point that nothing occurs in a vacuum - there's history behind it, and foreign gov'ts in the mix too.monNom
- Former German Chancellor Merkel admits the Minsk agreement was merely to buy time for Ukraine’s arms build-upMilan
- https://www.wsws.org…Milan
- @Continuity You're right, it's pointless to try to convince these particular cretins but these narratives are out there and influencing the course of eventsyuekit
- @yuekit Okay, fair enough. But, here on QBN, if you disregard the obvious trolls on Russian payroll, the overwhelming majority of us are on the correct side.Continuity
- Also, Zelensky is still talking about joining NATO today. https://x.com/RealAl…Milan
- And no amount of Russian or Trump fanboi trolling or disinformation is going to change that.Continuity
- No wonder Zelensky and the EU are excluded from the proxy war negotiations. They're untrustworthy and completely irrelevant now.Milan
- EU 800 mrd now... pootin is fucked...neverscared
- https://www.theguard…neverscared
- Von der Leyen: EU plans to strengthen defence spending raise €800bnneverscared
- so much for irrelevancy....heheh...neverscared
- russia twice as much people as germany and half the BIP... they cant even keep up with germany and then the whole EU + GB + Canada comes in..neverscared
- i don't read this shit often but haven't read anything pro-putin on here other than obvious piss takingkingsteven
- Do you really think Milan and others have been posting pro-Russia comments for the past three years as a joke?yuekit
- i mean specifically pro-putin, i think the reaction against a few people who's viewpoints align in being critical of ukraine (for example 'putin fan club') is akingsteven
- bit unbecoming, not to mention all the triggered sidenotes.kingsteven
- You don't think Milan is pro-Putin and we're being too mean to him? Haha OKyuekit
- if you're talking about Milan why didn't you say that? it seems like you're spinning several critical, and anti-war viewpoints in to a partisan 'pro-putin' clubkingsteven
- and that just makes you look like you're triggered and projecting (for example as a lot of people are by Trump atm.) Milan is pretty tame and tends to makekingsteven
- cynical, iconoclastic posts rather than pro anything, i'm sure milan loves getting downvotes and being correct (in his own head) the reaction is cringe.kingsteven
- I mentioned already I was talking about Milan, pablo, Khurram and other people who seem to be on the Russian side.yuekit
- I don't see why you can't just recognize they're cheering on Russia...it's not that uncommon of a viewpoint.yuekit
- As far as critical anti-war viewpoints...look back over the past year's worth of posts in this thread, can you find a single example?yuekit
- It's more on the level of "Hey retards..." or reposting Russian state propaganda again and again. Occasionally Khrurram will go on a rant about how Europe willyuekit
- be destroyed in a fiery apocalypse or something like that. It's not that different from what you see on Twitter where people who agree with Putin or dislike theyuekit
- USA and NATO are vicariously cheering on the war. And my only point was that this is kind of fucked up actually...regardles... of what you think about globalyuekit
- geopolitics about a million people have died.yuekit
- i'm against war so I see no issue with sharing viewpoints that are anti EU/Zelenskyy/US. i have more of an issue with people celebrating loss of life on eitherkingsteven
- side. from what i've read khurram is tounge in cheek having a laugh at the populist pro EU/Ukrainian/NATO viewpoint rather than pro Russia and having a troll...kingsteven
- not sure about pablo, but khurram and milan would seem to have very different viewpoints and neither post in celebration of russia or russian victorieskingsteven
- in the way that everyone else who posts here seems to find acceptable to celebrate the death of troops fighting for 'the aggressor'kingsteven
- okay, maybe i take that back about milan lolkingsteven