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    So to recap the week... OpenAi and a a bunch of other western Ai companies have been selling their AI secret sauce for years to investors as a proprietary mystery formula that only they could understand... They also claimed they needed infinite compute to achieve the next horizon of either AGI/ASI driving up the valuations of their companies as well as Nvidia.

    Now a group of young Chinese dudes who used to mine crypto just wrote a really good algorithm that performs equal to or better than OpenAi’s $200 a month offerings made it open source and claim it was trained for WAAAY less is threatening to burn down the whole Ai Silicon Valley venture capital grift?

    Interesting week.

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    • Yes. Exactly this.
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    • Highly doubt this. This story, like the open source release, is more likely intended to dry up private investment in AI in America.monNom
    • It saps revenue from the companies selling access to private models, drys up interest from investors. Facebook was following the same strategy with Llama releasmonNom
    • LOL the entire market is DOWN because of DeepSeek

      Even tho' it was known for weeks

      Odd Monday
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    • Chinese dudes stole all of the data from US and western countries, go China!utopian
    • Probably a buying opportunity for NVDA. Not so much for anyone trying to sell chat bots.monNom
    • I mean.. a neural network is a fundamentally different technology to a simple algorithm but I appreciate the sentiment.kalkal
    • @grafician known and known are two different things in the world of AI research, largely in part to too many projects optimising for the benchmarkskalkal
    • only when the benchmarks are released can we find out whether it's all the real deal or not.kalkal
    • *benchmarks based on actual user testing and scrutiny, not the creators benchmarks.kalkal
    • they aren't just "Chinese dudes who used to mine crypto"
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    • If it’s open-source, benchmarking it should be straightforward. My take is if it is competitive with state of the art, unlikely it was not state supported.monNom
    • https://arxiv.org/ab…
      look at the names on the paper, looks more like an entire class than just a bunch of kids.
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    • Or if it truly is 1/10th the resources to run, unlikely to be state of the art. Rare that some crypto-bros come in and produce an order of magnitude step changemonNom
    • their first product from a year ago:
      https://deepseekcode…
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    • And because their huggingface pretty much everybody knew that they are working on this.
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    • "young Chinese dudes" is funnier than Quant Hedge fund manager hiring dozens of top Chinese PhD's and buying 10,000 H800 chips to topple the US Ai industry...jonny_quest_lives
    • i tend to sarcastically shitpost through tumultuous times... i didn't mean to offend any of the PhD's who co wrote their open source documentation:jonny_quest_lives
    • https://arxiv.org/ab…jonny_quest_lives
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