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    Great perspective re auto industry and electric: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMh4YmMLw/…

    This has been my feeling for ages re cars, trucks vs. environment. This guy is doing things right with his hybrid trucks he builds... which of course it slaps the face of the current auto industry BUT is actually the right path for consumers and the planet, at this point.

    The most environmentally-friendly stance we can take if we’re actually serious about the environment and not blowing smoke up each others’ asses includes:

    A) buy used if possible - re-use previous vehicles going back x decades, rebuild, recycle parts over and over and over with creating a minimal need to buy new anything aside from consumable parts to keep these vehicles safe and efficient

    B) ban all closed-system approaches with vehicles and make it mandatory for manufacturers to provide access to user data, knowledge and training required to promote a right-to-repair ecosystem to ensure these vehicles can last decades - not unlike cars from the past, they were designed and expected by consumers to last 20+ years and be easily repairable

    All I see out there are shoddily-built vehicles that are 2-3X the price they should be, are so entwined in their proprietary digital ecosystems, going green! marketing... it’s a laughing stock. Sad too b/c environment is more toast b/c of it.

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    • And the delicious irony is many players in the industry are beginning to feel the devastating effects of doing it the wrong way for so long, ie Stellantisprophetone
    • My car is 24 years old, still running well, and wife's is 18. I don't plan on buying anything for at least three years, and then it will be used...OBBTKN
    • There is a change in strategy, in the US at least, to produce rational and cheap cars, but I am not in a hurry yet.OBBTKN
    • US = EUOBBTKN
    • And I think the VW group is doing worse than Stellantis right now.OBBTKN
    • Yeah I owned a new VW years ago and they run great and everything is great until the moment the warranty period ends...prophetone
    • at which point major stuff like headlight system dies, carbon buildup in engine so bad a rebuild required, trans toast... that new car is suddenly upside down $$prophetone
    • And this is stuff that intentionally prohibits the right to repair, insane cost of parts, used to be $20 part, now it’s $500
      https://vm.tiktok.co…      prophetone
    • Haha wrong link
      https://vm.tiktok.co…      prophetone
    • It’s so true. Also this guy is goin fer a rip there, bud.
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    • It’s like when architects put some trees on a building and say it’s green! Green is building something that stands for centuries with little maintenance.
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    • There was a building with a big tree on top in Vancouver. Tree was dying and it was going to be something like $1M to replace one fucking tree.monNom
    • And this post is totally correct. Think of the cost of the vehicle as the equivalent of that much fuel to get a rough sense of the carbon footprint of a new carmonNom
    • Then the manufacturers are incentivized to make higher efficiency/short life expectancy vehicles. Are we really winning on emissions?monNom
    • There are millions of decent used cars sitting around... imagine the environmental benefits of for next 5 years we pause new car manufacturing...prophetone
    • We just work our way through the millions of new or slightly used cars just sitting there, we also freeze msrp so as to avoid a gray market...prophetone
    • Make it ten years. We just recycle and re-use what’s already existing and eradicate this culture of I need a new car every 3 years bs for no logical reasonprophetone
    • And have a commercial level of course that is strictly monitored that can buy new if critical to avoid shipping supply chain probs, of courseprophetone
    • Also we avoid 10 years of massiveness inefficient car battery manufacturing that’s rapidly gobbling up resources in the most planet killing ways possibleprophetone
    • And in 10 years we may catch up with battery tech where instead of 7k! cells in a Tesla battery we’ve halved it, then halved it again w/ new techprophetone
    • Or straight up avoid mining for nickel/lithium batteries because of cleaner, superior hydrogen fuel cell advancements for cars by thenprophetone
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