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    • I can't see the connection between Hawley's post and The First Amendment?Morning_star
    • Really? He’s implying that he’s behind an agenda to violate this amendment.doublespaced
    • Maybe i've missed something here but from that post alone you've been able to extract his agenda and intention to force laws through govmnt by...Morning_star
    • ...stating he's a Christian Nationalist?Morning_star
    • You’re not wrong. This alone doesn’t. But declaring this a Christian nation usually follows with an agenda to make it one :)doublespaced
    • well of course one would need to have a cursory understanding of Hawley's past and his voting history in addition to Project 2025 to comprehend this threat...whatthefunk
    • Christian nationalism is a type of religious nationalism that is affiliated with Christianity. It primarily focuses on the internal politics of society, such aswhatthefunk
    • legislating civil and criminal laws that reflect their view of Christianity and the role of religion/s in political and social life.[1]whatthefunk
    • n countries with a state church, Christian nationalists seek to preserve the status of a Christian state by holding an antidisestablishment... position towhatthefunk
    • preserve the status of a Christian state by holding an antidisestablishment... position to perpetuate the Church in national politics.[4][5]whatthefunk
    • https://en.wikipedia…whatthefunk
    • Does the US have a state church?Morning_star
    • No it doesn’t. That would be a violation of the amendment.doublespaced
    • And therein lies the connection between his comments and the 1A, no, there is no state churchwhatthefunk
    • The very idea would be “respecting an establishment of religion” which is exactly what this country was founded on avoiding.doublespaced
    • And this relates to how Project 2025 is linked to a coordinated Christian Nationalism Agendawhatthefunk
    • I'm assuming Hawley doesn't have the power to change the constitution. So, given his right to free speech what is the problem here?Morning_star
    • Morning_star: What would be the reaction if a Muslim MP declared something similar, would be a bit shocking, no?whatthefunk
    • Christian nationalists believe that the country was founded as a Christian nation and that Christian values should be prioritized throughout governmenetwhatthefunk
    • https://www.politico…whatthefunk
    • His right to say this isn't the issue, his position as a senator and the objective of christian nationalism in govt is.whatthefunk
    • https://www.theguard…Morning_star
    • There was a concerted effort from a group of radical Muslims to run as opposition independent MPs in the last election. And people saw them for what they were.Morning_star
    • Genuine question, will he get support from the public because he's said this?Morning_star
    • I should clarify, a considerable proportion of the public?Morning_star
    • Well you all have a state church so a sectarian election is concerning, for non christians in the US, we're trying to protect our freedom from religionwhatthefunk
    • And furthermore discrimination, his state, Missouri, actually once banned Yoga b/c of it's ties to witchcraft, so you get a sense of what we're dealing with.whatthefunk
    • Support - yes! His state is ~77% Christian and he's a Trump supporter who denied the last election - so he's part of Project 2025whatthefunk
    • Thanks WTF. If a sitting politician in the UK had said this they would probably lose their seat at the next election. Our state Churches (differing...Morning_star
    • ...denomination for Scotland and Ireland) have little to no part in parliament. They have there own administrative councils or synods but throughout the...Morning_star
    • ...campaigning for the last election no MP would put their christianity at the forefront of their campaign messaging. I guess it's a lot more overt in the US.Morning_star
    • There has been a drastic decline in christian affiliation and congregations in the us for years, so naturally the right is screaming from the rooftops about itwhatthefunk
    • Also interesting to see an MP being suspended for making remarks about other Muslim MPs, curious...not here lolwhatthefunk
    • I think he's not wrong. The US derives it law and philosophy from a long line of Christian nations. From the Romans, all the way through to the English.monNom
    • They didn't throw that basis away, or adopt a confucian, or hindu, or muslim basis for law and society. They just separated the functions of church and state.monNom
    • In contrast to say: England, Russia, Rome, Japan, Iran, the Ottomans, the Byzantines, the Persians, Ancient Egypt, etc.monNom
    • I don't know what Christian Nationalism means though.monNom
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