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    • Good video showing how Dr. John Campbell lied, while laughing his way to the bank.yuekit
    • Don't hate the grifter...hate the swindler!utopian
    • I find it ironic most conspiracists say "follow the money" when "doing their own research" but don't apply same logic to their sourcesdee-dubs
    • Or maybe Yuekit, it's just another video cherry picking content, trying to cash in on Campbells audience. ;)Morning_star
    • this is proof positive that you guys are complete morons. Campbell is an educator who wrote educational manuals thicker than "War&Peace".pr2
    • He's boring, suburban britain bore of a man... how is anyone able to watch his videos for more than 5 seconds?shapesalad
    • but of course, in your infantile mind, he is wrong, but a guy on the internet, with a cartoon character as his headshot, is right. of course children.pr2
    • maybe he wrote it on really heavy weight paper. Maybe he etched it onto stone.Fax_Benson
    • Sorry guys, but Campbell lied, people died.yuekit
    • John Campbell when the YouTube earnings deposited to his account: "Well hello there.. a very warm welcome to you"yuekit
    • you guys should subscribe to Disney+, it has lots of cartoons that will not go over your heads.pr2
    • Who died yeukit? Or is it a conspiracy you're attempting to promote in order to demonise Campbell. Where is the science behind your claim?Morning_star
    • Morningstar I feel like I've written about a thousand notes on this topic by now :) ...it's really summarized quite well in the video.yuekit
    • No it isn't. You've said that Campbell, Rogan, Weinstein are responsible for people dying and that's a serious claim. By your own standards, it shouldn't...Morning_star
    • ...be too difficult to find the supporting credible analysis and facts. So where are they?

      My point is that your claims of unnecessary deaths and financial...      Morning_star
    • ...benefits are also easily placed at the feet of Fauci and the official/government Covid response. Why aren't you criticising that too?Morning_star
    • Not sure what you mean, I’ve posted lots of criticism of governments in this thread from USA to China.yuekit
    • It’s a pretty straightforward argument, over a third of deaths in USA, so over a third of a million people, are estimated to have died because they weren’tyuekit
    • vaccinated. And the same is true almost everywhere, unvaccinated make up a disproportionate percentage of the millions who died.yuekit
    • There was even a study showing how excess deaths were 10% higher in Republican-voting counties, which had a lower vaccination rate.yuekit
    • Campbell, Weinstein, Rogan, Malone etc are misleading their audience into thinking vaccines are dangerous when they aren’t.yuekit
    • They’re telling us you were that when you get COVID you should take drugs that don’t actually do anything.yuekit
    • No they're not. If you listen to Weinstien he goes a long way to ensure that his listeners understand the vaccines are good. He has questions about the...Morning_star
    • And because sensationalist content drives clicks, these are now the most popular “science communicators” on the internet. You don’t see a problem with that?yuekit
    • ...government advice, the vaccine roll-out, the origins of the virus. The resolution you are examining these peoples output at is not high enough. Not one of...Morning_star
    • ...them has called for people not to get jabbed. If you are summarising their output as anti-vax you are contributing to the problem.Morning_star
    • Haha you have to be kidding man...do you listen to Weinstein’s show?yuekit
    • "You don't see a problem with that"... No. If people interpret the content without considering other sources and perspectives then they're idiots.Morning_star
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    • ‘If you listen to Weinstien he goes a long way to ensure that his listeners understand the vaccines are good’yuekit
    • I now see you must be talking about a different guy, Bret Weinstien.yuekit
    • Tweets FFS. This is exactly my point, the resolution you are looking at this is too low.Morning_star
    • at least you can trust he will turn around once the picture starts to be more precise.+it‘s necessary to be able to express this opinions in the open.uan
    • fucking debate me Morning_star, debate and fact me until i fucking FART!face_melter
    • I doubt it uan :) I agree they shouldn't be censored or anything but it's worth pointing out that they're wrong.yuekit
    • I always wondered what idiot would take advice from a nurse with absolutely NO degree and or advanced studies in immunology or infectious diseases.utopian
    • I don't think anyone here is an idiot but Morning_star I'm confused about why you would defend these people so much, while at the same time not accuratelyyuekit
    • describing what they're saying. It's well-known that Bret Weinstein has been fear-mongering about vaccines about years now.yuekit
    • The resolution isn't high enough... you're always alluding to some greater complexity but you never produce any examples. Look at the tweets I posted, theyyuekit
    • were written by Weinstein himself. How is it consistent he'd say "The design of the “vaccines” was not safe—not even in principle" but also go get vaccinated??yuekit
    • If by 'fearmongering' you mean pointing out potential inadequacies and concerns about the development of the vaccines, the testing periods and the fast-track..Morning_star
    • ...approach by drug companies, then I suppose you could interpret it as such but that isn't a particularly charitable.Morning_star
    • I was listening to the interview he did with Unherd and I can see why people like his show, he's very eloquent and a good talker. But ultimately I don't thinkyuekit
    • the things he's saying about the vaccines are true, so that's why I said fear-mongering.yuekit
    • Like this for instance
      https://www.reuters.…      yuekit
    • When you asked "how is it consistent..." he gave an articulate logical response in the Unherd interview. I find no inconsistency in what he says. In essence...Morning_star
    • ...he says vaccines are good and important for public health BUT there are many, many questions surrounding the effectiveness, it's creation and the motives ofMorning_star
    • ...big pharma with regard to Covid vaccine.

      I understand your perspective about Weinstein, Campbell etc trying to maximise income from their claims...      Morning_star
    • ...However, just because income is one facet for these folk, doesn't mean that the claims aren't worth paying attention to. That is the Pharma industries...Morning_star
    • ..entire MO. And by the looks of things, Fauci too. Do we ignore everything they say?Morning_star
    • I think you're still soft-pedaling how insane Bret Weinstein is. At one point he called for stopping all vaccination and giving everyone in the world ivermectinyuekit
    • for a month. I don't think this would have turned out very well :)yuekit
    • There are even cases you can point to where it looks like his viewers took his advice and then died of COVID.yuekit
    • https://yurideigin.m…yuekit
    • I'm not pro censorship but even in a shithole country like USA you would have thought there's at least some marginal social responsibility when you have anyuekit
    • audience of millions and you're presenting yourself as an expert, during a pandemic.yuekit
    • The fact that Weinstein comes across as thoughtful and reasonable just makes it weirder that he's misleading his audience like that. But all the stuff it talksyuekit
    • about in that Medium post above seems to be true.yuekit
    • Yuekit, how much have the pharmaceutical industry made from this? You didn't answer my questionRendle
    • You denied it when someone asked you if you monetary benefit had anything to do with it, yet you're still making this pointRendle
    • Tell us how much the vaccine companies have made. And then do the research into how much governments are invested in said companies...Rendle
    • You're talking about profit of millions compared to billions and somehow you think this backs up your stance? Ludicrous is an understatementRendle
    • I don't think people should automatically trust pharma companies either. They're motivated to make money and sell as many drugs as possible. But this technologyyuekit
    • of mRNA vaccines has been studied by scientists around the world for years, it's been given to billions of people at this point. The hysteria over the vaccinesyuekit
    • doesn't seem to be justified in this case...so you start to wonder why are these "online experts" pushing it so much?yuekit
    • Why are they making really dumb mistakes like reading a chart wrong or misrepresenting numbers and not correcting themselves even when it's pointed out?yuekit
    • You can't read their mind but you look at what they're doing, then that they're making millions of it and it doesn't seem like rocket science that money mightyuekit
    • be a motivating factor.yuekit
    • @yeukit By what rationale do you dismiss Weinstein as insane? Why do you assume what Medium says is true? Do all public health policies surrounding covid...Morning_star
    • ...make sense? You cherry pick and exaggerate out of context content as examples of why we should dismiss perspectives that are contrary to your ...Morning_star
    • ...perceived understanding. How am i 'Soft peddling'? I suggest that if you took the time to listen to what Weinstein says in context and at a longform...Morning_star
    • ...resolution, you would realise many of the 'insane' opinions are cherry picked soundbites designed to discredit by content providers who are also looking...Morning_star
    • ...to get those clicks and dollars. It's a machine, and one that isn't concerned with truth.Morning_star
    • I'm saying everything he's ever said is bad but on some key issues like vaccines, it seems obvious Weinstein is wrong. The people criticizing him BTW includeyuekit
    • some of his former associates like Yuri Deigin the author of that Medium post, Sam Harris, Claire Lehmann, David Fuller who made some videos about it, evenyuekit
    • Eric Weinstein basically said he was wrong about ivermectin :) Reuters has written articles fact checking him. So I'm not exactly going out on a limb here inyuekit
    • saying he's wrong about some of these issues. Everyone's wrong from time to time but the disturbing part is that even after this is pointed out Weinsteinyuekit
    • doesn't correct himself, even when he made some obvious mistake, but instead just goes on pretending he was right.yuekit
    • Sorry, should have started "I'm *not saying..."yuekit
    • It's Monday...it's all good :)Morning_star
    • "Wrong about some of these issues"...I have no problem with your assessment but it's 'some', not all. And in his latest podcast he doubles down on his opinion..Morning_star
    • ...about Ivermectin. He spent some time criticising the meta analysis and data sets saying that 'sponsors' of the analysis had excluded valid data that...Morning_star
    • ...supports Ivermectin effectiveness. Maybe it's true, maybe Pharma had a vested interest in suppressing Ivermectin effectiveness, maybe he just can't let it...Morning_star
    • ...go and he's deluded BUT every time he has been provably wrong he has corrected his view. I think his perspective is worth considering in all this noise.Morning_star
    • How would it even work for big pharma to suppress ivermectin? Are the months-long studies on ivermectin faked? Are American pharma companies able to get everyyuekit
    • scientist and government in the world to go along with their coverup? I realize you only said maybe it's true but this just doesn't seem realistic at all.yuekit
    • Slightly off topic but it's relevant. Are you aware of the story of Oxycontin and the Sackler family? It's worth considering how much money was at stake and...Morning_star
    • ...the tactics they used to ensure the drug was prescribed? It's eye opening. Pharma are not about peoples health, they are for profit. It wouldn't surprise....Morning_star
    • ...me if something like that happened on a global scale with Pfizer, AZ etc getting together to muddy the waters any existing drug that's potentially...Morning_star
    • ...effective in the treatment of Covid. I'm not say that IS what happened but Pharma have a very dark history of manipulation and coercion.Morning_star
    • I think it's sensible to listen to those who can articulate objections and concerns with some credibility.Morning_star
    • It would surprise me if it happened on a global scale :) The opiod story shows that you can't just trust pharma companies, but on the other hand this wasn't ayuekit
    • situation where they totally falsified the science. And people are still using opioids obviously, it's more that they marketed them way too aggressively.yuekit
    • And this happened only in one country, and the people behind it were eventually prosecuted and sent to prison, by the US government.yuekit
    • So when you look at the details this actually goes against the narrative that pharma companies are more powerful than governments and could hide a miracle cureyuekit
    • from the world, as though countries would defer to a US company's need to make profits rather than want to end the pandemic. Another hole in this narrativeyuekit
    • is that many countries and politicians did promote and try to treat people with drugs like ivermectin and HCQ, they just didn't work.yuekit
    • So yes it's good to ask questions and hold companies and government accountable...but not if it's made up. These days you'll see a lot of guys like Weinsteinyuekit
    • who claim to have uncovered all these conspiracies and things "they" don't want you to know... but almost all the time, they are the ones BSing you.yuekit
    • I wouldn't say bullshitting. Anomaly hunting is what they do and use them as a lens to tarnish government/medical/p... claims. It's what Rendle does :)...Morning_star
    • ...Those anomalies are often real and measurable and raise questions that should be discussed. Those anomalies are not reasons to dismiss global health policy..Morning_star
    • ... 'en masse'. What I find irritating is the "deadly horse dewormer" type, outrage bullshit that is demonstrably inaccurate. With regard to the Governments...Morning_star
    • ...approach to partnering with big Pharma, they will have been absolutely rinsed of cash. The panic measures taken by Govs to ensure huge pots of cash are...Morning_star
    • ...available to take steps to curtail Covid was insane. In the UK there were billions of pounds worth of PPE contracts given to associates and 'friends' to...Morning_star
    • ...deliver protective masks etc for frontline workers. https://www.nhsforsa…Morning_star
    • Governments and business partnerships are corrupt, exploitative and not good value for the tax payers...ever. Pharma are in it for the profit NOT the...Morning_star
    • ...wellbeing of the citizenry. Weinstein, Campbell etc whilst they have their faults cannot be rejected without consideration. To claim the case is closed...Morning_star
    • ...with regard to existing drug therapies and their effectiveness in the treatment of Covid is just not the case.Morning_star
    • Here's an example of what looks like someone misleading his followers on purpose. https://twitter.com/…yuekit
    • So yeah totally agree with your point about anomaly hunting and people drawing wrong conclusions, but what's new are all these online "experts" who are actuallyyuekit
    • pushing people in that direction. Notice how Steve Kirsh takes something based on a real story but then adds made-up rumors and puts a false spin on it.yuekit
    • So while you'd like to believe it's just a bunch of conspiracy theorists asking questions, unfortunately in many cases these are more like the opioid peddlersyuekit
    • in your example. Some genuinely deranged people who seem to be cynically misleading their followers on purpose, either for clout or money.yuekit
    • He seems like an idiot.Morning_star
    • I mean look at this guy's face after all :)
      https://pbs.twimg.co…      yuekit
    • Anyway sorry to babble on endlessly, it's a topic that interests me... online disinfo, propaganda etcyuekit
    • I get you point about those jumping on the bandwagon create more unhelpful noise in the discussion. However, both Campbell and Weistein have been...Morning_star
    • ...commentating from the start and like it or not both have addressed their perspectives when they've been wrong.Morning_star
    • No need to apologise, thanks for your time and perspective. I'm glad we can be cordial You're right, truth and disinfo in media is fascinating.Morning_star
    • "both have addressed their perspectives when they've been wrong."
      This goes back to the video I posted at the beginning... no they haven't unfortunately.      yuekit
    • What they've done is create the appearance of responding to criticism, which is almost worse in a way and part of what's so confusing about all this :)yuekit
    • BTW Steve Kirsch, the guy you said was an idiot... is also the co-inventor of the optical mouse and founded a bunch of tech companies like Infoseek. So why isyuekit
    • he peddling this obviously nonsense stuff about vaccines? Who knows... people are lunatics apparently :)yuekit
    • If this many unvaccinated died the media would have a ticking number on the top corner 24 hours a day like they did with covidRendle
    • It's only the vaccinated that are dying in droves so they're silent. Imagine going to the lengths to try and prove that this random guy is lying...Rendle
    • ... But totally giving the corporations making billions from this a pass. You are truly a minion devoid of independent thought or critical analysis.Rendle
    • There's really no discussing with you people. You'll just believe whatever the mainstream is telling you, regardless of facts or data.Rendle
    • Basically humanity has split into two. The brain dead zombies that believe the government and the corporations making billions...Rendle
    • ... and the people that can actually apply independent thought and critical analysis and really see what's going on. There's no discussion between the two.Rendle
    • This is why I no longer come here. First time I've been back in a few weeks. It's utterly fruitless.Rendle
    • All we can really do at this stage is wish you all the best and move on.Rendle
    • lol, FFS set there's no need to take it seriously. I've said many times I've got nothing against you. But just ask yourself, has any evidence emerged sinceyuekit
    • we last discussed this? If there was something you could point to you wouldn't need all these grandiose statements about humanity splitting int two.yuekit
    • Check back in a year and I'm confident it will be the same...fear mongering stories and rumors (probably less as people lose interest) but never any proof.yuekit
    • At some point you need to grapple with this contradiction. And the simplest explanation unfortunately is that blokes like John Campbell are scamming you,yuekit
    • while laughing their way to the bank.yuekit
    • So you think because he's making a few million he must be lying and scamming?Rendle
    • ... but the pharmaceutical companies that are making BILLIONS are definitely telling the truth? LOLRendle
    • You're so fucking delusional and hilarious that I'm just going to treat you like child from now on and patronise you for your idiocy. Bless you.Rendle
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