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    If you're going to claim the vaccines cause more excess deaths you need to look at it in a systematic way. Here's one study that did...

    https://pandem-ic.com/excess-mor…

    "The cross-country comparisons suggest that vaccine coverage above a certain threshold is associated with LOWER excess mortality."

    "We see that low vaccination rates are associated with much higher excess mortality rates, particularly during 2021. We also note that front-running countries in the vaccination space typically perform best on excess mortality."

    However...the data is also a mess due to all the factors involved. There isn't a clear, consistent relationship across all countries and you probably shouldn't expect to see one.

    For instance did people in the USA die at a higher rate because of bad policies of the US government? Is it because minority groups tend to die at a higher rate? Is it because Americans are fat? All of the above maybe? Good luck figuring all of this out.

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    • I know two dead people. Where are they in your graph?palimpsest
    • The vaccines didn’t lower over all mortality. Sorry the science doesn’t support your belief system.Chimp
    • Also you can’t conclude that the vaccines lower excess deaths until they have had long term studies. Give it a few years then look at the data.Chimp
    • In any case we were told that they were safe and the science says they have killed many people. Safe vaccines don’t kill people.Chimp
    • the numbers are skewed somewhat by the 100,000s of potential vaccine recipients who'd already died of covidFax_Benson
    • excess deaths in the UK will have been contributed to by the hospital backlogs caused by the pandemicFax_Benson
    • Even with that factored in there are large amount of young people dropping dead for “no reason”.Chimp
    • The vaccines should never have been forced on to young people and their human rights taken away as was the case in some countries.Chimp
    • A better approach would have been to just give them to the vulnerable.Chimp
    • the vulnerable are easy to identify with hindsight. Vaccine research and testing was better developed than for covidFax_Benson
    • In Italy you couldn’t even get on a bus without a vaccine, even if you had antibodies and were young.Chimp
    • All in the name of pushing vaccines on young people who didn’t need them which in turn could cause serious side effects.Chimp
    • Why would they do that? forcing a deadly vax on the customer base in plain sight. What's the big pharma marketing spin on kids dropping dead for no reason?Fax_Benson
    • It’s not the first time they’ve done something highly ilegal that has harmed people.Chimp
    • I think you need to separate these things...was the pandemic policy going too far, was it irrational at times...I'm willing to believe that, certainly in Chinayuekit
    • it is. Do the vaccines have some side effects such as the myocarditis? This is basically proven. But are vaccines killing large numbers of people?yuekit
    • I haven't seen any good evidence for that part. Even some of the studies you posted only showed a mild effect.yuekit
    • Here is a link to an article and scientific paper that states all cause mortality was not decreased by the mRNA vaccines.Chimp
    • https://brownstone.o…Chimp
    • I feel like we talked about that study before in some other 100 comment thread :)ukit2
    • Someone else who suddenly dropped dead: https://efocus.news/…Chimp
    • The trouble is these studies you're posting actually contradict what you're saying. The Brownstone Institute one doesn't say the vaccines are killing people.ukit2
    • Show me the serious study that proves the vaccines are killing large numbers of people and then you'd be onto something.ukit2
    • No they are just mysteriously dropping dead for no other reason.Chimp
    • And listen I totally understand if you know or heard about two people dying that would make me suspicious as well.ukit2
    • But if the vaccines were really killing so many people it seems like this would be impossible to cover up.ukit2
    • The amount they are killing is unknown but there is a suspicious rise in excess deaths and people dropping dead of heart attacks.Chimp
    • I’m not saying vaccines are 100% bad. Just that they aren’t what they were promised and have to be questioned.Chimp
    • The problem here is that anyone who dares question their safety gets labelled and anti vaxxer by the woke mob.Chimp
    • Similar to if you question lockdowns or the amount of human rights that were taken away.Chimp
    • I want to see a chart with the amount of human rights taken away.palimpsest
    • How about Australia locking people up in camps that didn’t even have Covid for a start?Chimp
    • Show me the chart.palimpsest
    • Here you go. https://youtu.be/cgf…Chimp
    • Where were people getting locked up in camps in Australia?thumb_screws
    • No they were locking up camp people in Australia I think. Ooh I say.MrT
    • Ah that was it! It was all for the next carry on camping film.Chimp
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