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    Two new major peer reviewed studies, suggesting that the origin of SARS-2 was the wildlife trade and that it spilled over at least twice from animals to humans at the Huanan Market in Wuhan.

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1…

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1…

    Angela Rasmussen, one of the virologists involved, summarizes the findings here:

    https://twitter.com/angie_rasmus…

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    • ...from that lab near by?
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    • The lab was on the other side of the city. You'd have to explain how two separate originating strains of the virus both ended up at a market selling animals.yuekit
    • not to mention somebody from the lab could've sold the infected animals for quick cash
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    • pretty sure the only conclusion we can agree on is that we might never know what actually happened there.
      And this means it will happen again...
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    • but just like with Chernobyl, the truth will come out after the fall of the regime
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    • Possible but it's not like a virus only comes from a lab. The animal industry in China involves hundreds of millions of animals and it's poorly regulated.yuekit
    • The animals are often stacked on top of each other in cages, allowing them to spread viruses between each other. The viruses recombine and you get somethingyuekit
    • like the SARS-1 virus back in early 2000s, and now probably also SARS-2.yuekit
    • That's not how it works. This virus originated in bats and was brought to that near by lab for studies.
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    • And they keep repeating "lab or nature" IS NOT ONE OR THE OTHER fucking idiots,
      nobody said it was "man made" just escaped from a lab
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    • It could have been brought to Wuhan by scientists but was it? There's no direct evidence of that so far, just a lot of suspicions.yuekit
    • Funny how all other natural virus origins were found quickly but this one is taking years.Chimp
    • You have to be extremely naive to believe this came only from nature and did not escape form the near by lab experimenting on this exact type of virus.Chimp
    • Funny how morons think this is man made but don’t question the hundreds of other coronaviruses we’ve dealt with regularly.monospaced
    • Because this one acts very differently and has a ton of evidence it escaped from the lab.Chimp
    • Funny how morons think this is natural but don’t question the hundreds of other viruses that have escaped the lab.Chimp
    • With most of the viruses throughout history, we have no idea exactly how it spread from animals to humans. No one ever found the animal that spread Spanish Fluyuekit
    • to humans, no one knows how Ebola spread to humans, the exact origin of AIDS is still unknown. So you wouldn't necessarily expect to easily find the source.yuekit
    • And I get why people are so convinced it was a lab leak -- it fits into a narrative about not trusting the Chinese government, which I don't disagree with.yuekit
    • But a narrative doesn't tell you what's true or not. You have to look at the evidence which is what these papers are about.yuekit
    • Why not agree to keep searching?
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    • Oh yeah no one's saying stop searching or investigating the lab for that matter. This is just the current state of what they know.yuekit
    • Whether this virus did or didn’t come from a lab, we ought to be having a conversation about the sorts of experiments that are taking place in labsmonNom
    • Ie infection of humanized transgenic mice to evolve viruses. Serial passage to improve transmissibility. Gene manipulation of viruses...monNom
    • Poor hygiene and safety leading to researchers getting sick. Selling of test animals into secondary markets for animal food/people food/pets.monNom
    • You put that all together and you are basically guaranteed to get an outbreak at some point.monNom
    • The fact that people were censored for saying it came from the lab not so long ago is very suspicious.Chimp
    • You would hope that labs would pay more attention to safety just because of this controversyyuekit
    • If people are interested in this you can hear the scientists explaining their conclusions here
      https://www.youtube.…      yuekit
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