The Russia thread.
The Russia thread.
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- _niko-5
The more I look into it, the more I realize that the average Russian knows exactly what's going on.
Beyond preventing NATO from further encircling them, they're main objective is to preserve Russia and the Russian way of life at all costs, even sacrificing fellow slavs to do so.
They want a Russia free of the social ills that plague Europe and the west, free of wokeness, free of Political correctness, free of hordes of immigrants from the Middle East and Africa, free of liberal democracy.
It's not just Putin, most Russians want this it seems. It's why Trump and his base supports them too, why fox supports them, they're seen as a sort of Leonidas making a last stand.
pretty fucked up.
- that is to say that no matter how many videos Arnold makes or how many companies pull out or how many teams get booted, it won't make a difference_niko
- Lots of my Polish pals want this too. Then there's Orban in Hungary. And dont forget the Brexiters and the Gilet Jaunes...********
- And wasnt there a bunch in Germany that were making nasty populist demands?********
- Yuck, what is it with people wanting a government that serves their interests? Deplorables, eh, I hope they all die of covid.********
- Preserving their way of life is fucked up.********
- it's the way they think they're preserving it, that's fucked up. by dropping cluster bombs on the maternity wards and playcenters of innocent Ukrainians_niko
- Like you say, the stakes are high. fwiw, Zelensky's mob have been firing into civilian areas for years.********
- Great. They'll be fine getting cut off from rest of the world then.pango
- Bobo. And in 2 weeks Russian fired off even more than few years.pango
- pango, that might be the problem, they really don't care. their athletes have been cut off for years not allowed to compete under the Russian flag etc_niko
- some people's way of life will always be under threat in their own minds, regardless. Populism doesn't solve problems, it just apportions blameFax_Benson
- Russia's gripes were well founded. Zelensky hinting Ukraine may acquire nukes, breaching the Minsk Accord, the bio-labs..********
- classic bobo_niko
- All those "Westerners" that love lawlessness should just move to mother Russia if they support it that much, why not?********
- But pretty sure they just want the lawlessness BUT still in their current comfy settings in the US and other rich Western countries :))********
- All those Brexiters and MAGA people won't last a month in actual Russia!
They just like the idea of "freedam"******** - I think it was Robert Sapolsky that talked about evolutional biology in regards to kin and fear of strangers. Humans have evolved for 1000s of years with ashapesalad
- ohhh the bio labs. bobo's like the mouth piece for gremlinpango
- struggle between needing to bring in outsiders and a need to keep them out. It all comes down to wanting to diversify the gene pool but keep pathogens out.shapesalad
- _niko I respect the way you present these things. If I can pull an analogy it is like the United states before the Civil War, just the slaves aren't coming from********
- an other continent.********
- We have a class that pulls the strings, and always pays whatever the costs are.********
- The wast majority of the population lives disconnected from the rest of the world, but contributes to an astonishing extent to maintain the classes above.********
- Improvement in their lives is only provided if appropriate behavior is demonstrated in such critical situations. By law or with direct local assistance.********
- These things start all the way from being unable to read, and up to what channels I can access information on.********
- With the possibility of the internet, this chain seems to be constantly disintegrating. Because it gives one thing people never had: see how others live********
- In the last 20-15 years, we can observe how a complete class has evolved all over the world and we haven't seen much opposition against this spread of wealth********
- More or less no one thought what money was behind it, or who in what conditions does the actual labor.********
- And if so, it isn’t hard to get results out of this closed system that the other party would like to hear.********
- There is no ascension of the working class, we don't see the kind of development China is trying to achieve.********
- Only that again anyone can be sacrificed for a goal beyond the borders of the country.********
- That is diffidently something what leadership is trying to make people understand.********
- Let's be honest modern day Russia is a poor example of "traditional values." The reality is a government with a nihilistic post-truth ideology, one of the mostyuekit
- unequal societies on earth, rampant levels of alcoholism and other social problems, low fertility rates. Interestingly "traditionalist" Russia has the highestyuekit
- abortion rate of any country. So this is just the story they tell themselves about how they are superior to the rest of the world, typical nationalist nonsense.yuekit
- Russian nationalism = bad, Ukraine nationalism = good. Is that how it works?********
- The Russian nationalism in Ukraine what isn't working out well...********
- If Russian nationalism leads to invading other country, then ya it's badpango