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Continuing on maquito's post about Christmas:
https://www.qbn.com/reply/399486…I understand the history behind Christmas and it's relation to the solstice. But when did Christmas' current secular & globalist shape take place? Is it a direct American export with regional tweaks? A snapshot of the promised America at it's highest? Or is it more like evolutionary convergence?
- Are talking about the celebratory trappings of Christmas, like the decorated tree, and all that? Cos that's a German export.Continuity
- But I always saw Christmas as an American package. That's what I meant when I said I understood the history behind it.palimpsest
- Was that a Christmas package pushed as a whole to the rest of the world or did we separately come to it (evolutionary convergence)?palimpsest
- NYC after the turn of the century (1900s), the commercial christmas was born and grew. Soon after came the jingles and cartoons to lock it in.monospaced
- It took all the parts it wanted from its European heritage, of course, and the two never fully separated since either. I find it evolving very fast now, too!monospaced
- When I was a kid, people didn't put up trees the day after Thanksgiving. They waited a couple weeks. The consumerism is still the same, though.monospaced
- When I was a kid, people would put up lights the last week of October in the DR. Commercial Halloween and Thanksgiving wasn't big back in the late 80sMaaku
- Seems like it's a weird mix of a lot of different traditions. But the modern version of Santa Claus as a fat guy in a red suit was made up by an Americanyuekit
- cartoonist. Rudolph the red nosed reindeer was invented as part of a department store marketing campaign. So yeah I think you could say it is an Americanyuekit
- invention in terms of the imagery people associate with modern day Christmas, along with the commercialized aspect.yuekit
- Didn’t coca-cola invent santa as we know him? Why romanticize any of those trappings. Celebrate the solstice and the seasons, not the products we associate w itscarabin
- Yule on the 21st FTW. Fuck CHRISTmas. Lying to kids for fun, propagating the idea that only rich kids are goodscarabin
- Teach your kids personal responsibility instead and be kind to your family all year round instead of one day a yearscarabin
- /rantscarabin
- @scarabin. I think the whole "be good, Santa's watching" thing actually does help teach personal responsibility, patience, self reflection. Etc.monNom
- Sort of like the marshmallow game. From a time before marshmallows.monNom
- If you think about the whole thing, it's actually really fucking weird. It's like a holiday celebrating American capitalism bootstrapped on top of anyuekit
- older religious holiday. Also possibly the first holiday the entire world celebrates? You could wrrite some interesting stuff about this from an anthropologicalyuekit
- perspective for sureyuekit
- You got it, yuekit.
There has to be a paper on this out there. I was hoping one of you had a link.palimpsest - https://en.wikipedia…
Anglicans in Oxford are to thank/blame.i_monk - From pagan to Christian to secular/globalist it seems like it has come full circle. Even non Christians cultures celebrate it now.palimpsest
- Municipalities are allowed to erect a Christmas tree in the France laïque while nativities are a no no because of their direct Christian symbols.palimpsest
- It seems the Xmas culture package has been pushed onto non-western cultures which in turn have been happy to embrace it.palimpsest
- Religion as a tool of western power passed the baton to commerce. Are we not amused?palimpsest