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    The judge repeatedly asserted this was hearsay, but Trump campaign lawyer Thor Hearne sought to argue that it wasn’t — despite it having been someone who said they heard about something they weren’t personally involved in. He pointed to a vague note the poll watcher produced — which said “entered receive date as 11/2/20 on 11/4/20” — as evidence:

    STEPHENS: So I want to make sure I understand you. The affiant is not the person who had knowledge of this. Is that correct?
    HEARNE: The affiant had direct firsthand knowledge of the communication with the elections inspector and the document they provided them.
    STEPHENS: Okay, which is generally known as hearsay, right?HEARNE: I would not think that’s hearsay, Your Honor. That’s firsthand personal knowledge by the affiant of what she physically observed. And we included an exhibit which is a physical copy of the note that she was provided.

    The two later returned to the point, after Stephens reviewed the note, and Stephens echoed Judge Diamond’s exasperation:

    STEPHENS: I’m still trying to understand why this isn’t hearsay.
    HEARNE: Well, it’s, it, I –
    STEPHENS: I absolutely understand what the affiant says she heard someone say to her. But the truth of the matter ... that you’re going for was that there was an illegal act occurring. Because other than that I don’t know what its relevancy is.
    HEARNE: Right. I would say, Your Honor, in terms of the hearsay point, this is a firsthand factual statement made by Ms. Conoron, and she has made that statement based on her own firsthand physical evidence and knowledge –
    STEPHENS: “I heard somebody else say something.” Tell me why that’s not hearsay. Come on, now.
    HEARNE: Well it’s a firsthand statement of her physical –STEPHENS: It’s an out-of-court statement offered where the truth of the matter is [at-issue], right?

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