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    Nothing wrong with black people as a race. Africans living in US are doing great, even southern blacks are doing ok.

    It all boils down to ghetto culture in the big cities. I already mentioned the term "Oreos" for racial traitors -- black students who want to study. The peer pressure in the ghetto commands you to avoid mimicking white people in any way, even if it means making a life for yourself.

    Rap, hip-hop, basketball, Nike sneakers etc, all black urban steteotypes -- are all products of Hollywood and successful commercial advertising, like cigarettes or bottled water. Products which are essentially not needed by anyone.

    Sort of like Australian aborigines, who live on welfare and paint boomerangs and didgirida in the style of abstractionism and pointillism, although they never did anything like this before and it was never part of their native culture, but someone taught them.

    The problem is, even if these artifacts are limited to the ghetto culture, an average person who does not interact with other black people outside of the ghetto, will connect it with race anyway as a common denominator.

    The only solution is:

    1) A cultural mindwipe, new ideals. Since most if the media is privately owned, absolutely not clear how to achieve this, but more black actors in fitting roles is a good start.

    2) Avoid segregation at all costs. Mix and dilute the people living in the ghettos. Since the American state is weak in these types of questions, I don't see it happening.

    3) A new leader of black people, akin to MLK and Malcolm X. I propose Dave Chappelle.

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    • racial traitors?
      like uncle tom?      pango
    • 2) agree. but what do you mean weak?pango
    • 3) Ha. I'm pretty sure he will tell you that's a terrible idea.pango
    • https://www.urbandic…drgs
    • Ghettos in a nutshell: white people convinced black people not to interfere with their lives, and made black people think it was a good ideadrgs
    • So you have black people policing themselves, calling traitors "Oreos", and protecting the ghettodrgs
    • I'm turning into this guy
      https://youtu.be/cxy…      drgs
    • Hip hop culture celebrates thuggery.Doris_McSquirter
    • so oreo means black kids who behaves properly, cuz they got a bit of white in them...? that sounds really racist...pango
    • "white people convinced black people not to interfere with their lives" whhooooooaaaaaa?pango
    • "Good living is white living"drgs
    • Again. That sounds really racist.pango
    • Oh look it's the racist troll Doris.pango
    • One thing is that is interesting is that as living standards erode in America, lower class whites are increasingly falling into the same self destructiveyuekit
    • behavior... drug use (opiate epidemic), broken marriages, anti intellectualism etc.yuekit
    • So I'm not sure I'd say culture is the root cause, because even as they post these long copypastas about how terrible black culture is, whites are doing theyuekit
    • same thing to themselves.yuekit
    • The long article above illustrates exactly why this is not the case (poverty causing poverty)drgs
    • The black history professor one? Reads more like an opinion piece to me. How does it prove anything?yuekit
    • Higher social mobility in African blacks and southern blacks, like I already mentioned. btw, Africans despise ghetto blacks for this exact reasondrgs
    • The USA is a big country, people in some places are doing better than others. But overall the working class has been in decline since at least the 80s.yuekit
    • White life expectancy has actually gone down over the past decade. Record numbers of poor whites died of heroin and opiate overdose or simply killed themselves.yuekit
    • In fact more whites died of drug overdoses within a two year period than in the entire Vietnam war. Is that a problem of culture or economics?yuekit
    • Both. If everyone else is doing drugs, you will likely do it too, even if not poor
      India has a sizeable poor class, drugs are alien to them.      drgs
    • But I understand, culture follows economic class, there are not many golf players in the ghetto. You can say within the lower class there are several culturesdrgs
    • Ghetto and drug users being two of many, but you don't have to belong to eitherdrgs
    • Yeah it's interesting. More people died from opioids than from COVID-19 by a significant margin. But the media barely talks about it.yuekit
    • Apparently a big factor in this was pharma companies pushing doctors to prescribe people stronger and stronger drugs, which they then got addicted to.yuekit
    • So I do believe American style capitalism is part of what keeps these people, whether black or white in a cycle of poverty.yuekit
    • It's almost predatory, push them to take drugs, target them to get signed up to credit cards and loans they can't ever pay off.yuekit
    • Then when economy crashes, these people get hit the hardest. Black homeowners the ones who got completely wiped out in 2008 crash, and probably same this time.yuekit
    • I agree with number 2 but you're ignoring how ghettos actually got there in the first place.ben_
    • And rap/hip hop are not products of hollywood or advertising, you're so far off the mark there its scary.ben_
    • Hip hop should have died in mid 2000s, everything since then is a product of advertisingdrgs
    • So is country, pop, and whatever other genres are.pango
    • Lot's of dead genres from the 90s: eurodance, grunge, dnb etc. My point is hip hop belongs to this groupdrgs
    • Or even something like this, unthinkable in 2020:
      https://www.youtube.…
      https://www.youtube.…      drgs
    • lol now you just sound like an old man complaining about how time has changed.pango
    • I just picked two of the silliest videos... I don't remember what point I was trying to makedrgs
    • Anyway, ghetto culture is not sacred and does not define black people. I hope we keep the good parts, and get rid of the bad partsdrgs
    • Don't you think it's already changed? The era of gangsta rap was late 80s/90s.yuekit
    • Also in terms of role models, personal morality etc, let's consider these two examples, Barack Obama (black America) vs Donald Trump (white America)yuekit
    • Maybe you were right earlier about poverty being the root cause, as long as there are ghettos, there will be people writing music about their ghetto lifedrgs
    • Can't get rid of rap without getting rid of the ghettos. What's music are ghetto residents (?) listening to nowdays?
      https://youtu.be/-le…
      ?      drgs
    • Can't say. Never been to one.
      Have you?      pango
    • Look what rap music did
      https://www.youtube.…      yuekit
    • It's the lyrics -- romantic life of prof convicts, pimps, gang rule and getting rich the easy way. By the age of 10 the social ladder is fully engraved in youdrgs
    • Rap/Hip Hop having phases is what you're describing. Whether you like it or not doesn't matter (other than to you). The genre is not manufactured by advertisingben_
    • There were years where rap was overwhelmingly positive, years where it was mostly gangster driven, etc. etc. there's always OTHER music being made, but it'sben_
    • a reflection of the times/realities. Sure, advertising plays a role in what gets popular at a given moment but that's not the fault of the artist.ben_
    • And the ghetto has produced loads of rappers with different messages, voices and perspectives. Some productive, some not so productive. Thinking all people inben_
    • impoverished areas listen to the same music is a little fucked, no?ben_
    • I will readily admit I have no idea what I'm talking about, but my impression is the same: I'm not saying rap was created by the music industry, I'm saying thatdrgs
    • at some point it was picked up by the same people who did boy band music. Its basically pop, and its tireddrgs
    • I don't mean it in a mean way, but it's pretty clear you don't know what you're talking about, but maybe that's because you haven't listened to much rap outsideben_
    • of whatever is popular at the time? Sure a&r's pick up and push certain acts, but name a legitimate Rap group that was manufactured like N'Sync?ben_
    • But all that isn't really the point. Rap that talks about the ghetto is just talking about a reality, no different than Taylor Swift talks about ex-boyfriendsben_
    • You can blame corporate labels and media for pushing one image over another but that doesn't address the reason ghettos exist in the first place.ben_
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