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    • lolKrassy
    • https://i.imgur.com/…hotroddy
    • not a fan, but it's not hypocritical to endorse communism and have personal wealthkingsteven
    • but its still a non-sense. Would he gladly give all his money to the community? Not sure bout itBennn
    • robo is a fan!renderedred
    • He can slap that red shit all over himself and sing his praises to communism all day long... however, he's a prime fucking example of a successful Capitalist.PonyBoy
    • that's a reformist view benn, revolutionary socialism requires the (inevitable) collapse of capitalism. that would seem to be RATMs message, saying that...kingsteven
    • it's also not hypocritical to hold revolutionary beliefs and endorse libertarian socialist policies in capitalist society if you believe its end is inevitablekingsteven
    • A simplistic definition is in front of their eyes yet they can't even get their head around thatdeadsperm
    • also worth mentioning 'revolution' as advocated by most folks that call themselves communist opposes authoritarianism and refers to peaceful social revolution.kingsteven
    • Socialism only works amongst like-minded. I could be willing to pay even more taxes, but only on the premise that others do the samedrgs
    • they were signed to Epic. Enough said.ben_
    • Defined: https://www.zerohedg…BustySaintClaire
    • I'll show my mine if you show me yours is the the catch 22 of meaningful change.
      Everyone wants change but nobody wants to change.
      deadsperm
    • Defined also : http://www.lulu.com/…deadsperm
    • Yet we are talking about communism.
      http://www.lulu.com/…
      deadsperm
    • well assuming morello's communism is some form of orthodox marxism or luxembourgian ideology you've all just missed the point.kingsteven
    • busty's zero hedge link defines socialism using "twelve most relevant currents of socialism" yet mentions "orthodox Marxism has never been materialized."kingsteven
    • most flavours of communist (certainly any i know) are incredibly nuanced in their criticism of former socialist regimes.kingsteven
    • the fact they were on a major label means nothing in respect to their beliefs. an independent is still a private capitalist entity...kingsteven
    • he's ok with income distribution of if you're white. just don't take $$ from noble brown, black and indegenous folk.hotroddy
    • hah, he's a racist now? and income distribution what the hell are you on about? marxists don't advocate redistribution of wealth.kingsteven
    • Have you not heard their lyrics? he's a fan of hugo chavez.. do I need to say more?hotroddy
    • unfortunately i have :D his politics do seem to be all over the place. as i said, i'm not a fan but can't think of a lyric that promotes wealth redistribution.kingsteven
    • i'm just having fun with the misconceptions of what communists are... a wealthy christian, now there's a hypocrite :Dkingsteven
    • https://www.yfbspod.…thumb_screws
    • Just wait until deathboy sees this post...he will go absolutely apeshit!utopian
    • https://farm5.static…pango
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    • Lol at King Steven. All communist revolutions are violent. Always. Cuba, Russia, Italy, China, VenezuelaHayoth
    • Are you really that ignorant or just hiding your violent fantasies?Hayoth
    • https://www.projectv… BUSTEDHayoth
    • US independence was violent too. OMG! US IS COMMUNIST!pango
    • Love RATM. But I’m curious what Tom thinks about North Korea or China and if he would rather live there.NBQ00
    • lol at having to go back to 1776. way to GO panGO!hotroddy
    • pango confusing colonial independence revolutions with political revolutions.hotroddy
    • lol i actually didn't watch the video. thought you guys need something to occupy your time. what was it about?pango
    • oh that. french revolution was violent. OMG! they're communist!pango
    • are you guys disliking the gov or the idea of a system? to me, i don't care. whatever works.pango
    • fuck all them ism. just do whatever works and take care of the people.pango
    • how is that colonial independence different than political revolutions? It went from monarchy to democracy.pango
    • independence vs civil.hotroddy
    • communist revolutions are typically civil revolutions.hotroddy
    • only clowns defend communism from the riches of capitalismernexbcn
    • https://www.youtube.…ernexbcn
    • and yet the gov system changed.pango
    • dude.. you're comparing colonial independence from 300 years ago to modern political movements. apples to oranges.hotroddy
    • if pango lived in vzla or cuba, he would be so busy trying to make ends meet he wouldn't be posting about the wonders of communism in QBN...ernexbcn
    • and of course if he's lucky enough to have electricity and internet access, what a knobernexbcn
    • i think he's attempting to make the point that that you can write off any political or economic system with the same logic. all of cry out at the irrelevancekingsteven
    • of posts in the capitalist thread to capitalism yet you're name checking about totalitarian communist regimes to discredit communism. it's a bit daft.kingsteven
    • i'm often challenging my commie mates on their views, but go read some marxist or anarchist literature - you'll find it supports your criticisms...kingsteven
    • what? how you see this as me supporting communism? well to be honest i actually prefer a system that's a mix of capitalism and communism.pango
    • capitalism is a better system for development and growth. and communism to take care its people.pango
    • take care of its people? it always ends up in autocracies, scarcity of goods, hunger, hyperinflation, ruinernexbcn
    • complete lack of individual freedoms, political persecution, etc. is that caring about the people?ernexbcn
    • and yes i was trying to shrug off this finger pointing at a musicien. the only reason he's being talked about right now it's because =pango
    • he's having a concert with proceeds going to charities.pango
    • as for communism revolution = violent comment. i was trying to point out all revolution or change of government system come with violence.pango
    • I see, alrighternexbcn
    • or at least i can't think of one that didn't involve violence. it's a poor point to make that communism is bad. a better one would be communism are too so oftenpango
    • exist parallel to totalitarian govn. even tho 2 does not have to exist side by side but it's what we have in recent history.pango
    • also is he actually worth talking about with 35 million?, when that douche Bezos has 129.9 billion meanwhile having questionable labour policies in his warehouspango
    • I have no problems with Tom being a millionaire, he earned it, I don't have problems with Bezos being a billionaire eitherernexbcn
    • violence to free people from tyranny is fine by me (1776)... violence to enforce tyranny (communism or the like) is a load of silliness—there is no comparison.PonyBoy
    • ya.... wasn't talking about re enforcing a gov but the process of change of gov. i can't think of a country that went through gov change with out violentpango
    • you all so hung up in ideology while there are so many problems in your society.pango
    • "communism or the like" haha - say what you mean... "not capitalism". i typically argue from a vague marxist-informed anarchist/ social libertarian perspectivekingsteven
    • and don't identify with the symbolism of bolshevik communism - but with labour movements such as the C.N.T. that actively battled fascismkingsteven
    • i believe that capitalism will destroy itself (it's end being the bloody brutal part) and hope that we reform society in stateless libertarian communismkingsteven
    • activists like morello are only important as the first part of many folks' political education. a friends boyfriend has dreadlocks and a hammer and sickle tatookingsteven
    • and i refuse to talk to him. now there's a hypocrite :Dkingsteven
    • my point is writing off all communism "or the like" because of the failures of former implementations. is daft when you consider the very specific conditionskingsteven
    • for it's successful implementation by marx (and refined further since) - y'all gonna be the leninists you hate come the revolution throwing me in the gulag.kingsteven
    • I don't know what's worse, liking communism or believing it hasn't been implemented yet properly, holy shit lolernexbcn
    • I'm not a communist... but the two predeterminate conditions for the success of Marxism is that it's implemented in post capitalist USA or England...kingsteven
    • to me that sounds like the perfect excuse to justify the thing doesn't work and won't ever workernexbcn
    • just like they always blame USA for their own failures, it's a recurrent theme in failed socialist/communist regimes, oh they didn't let us achieve it! etcernexbcn
    • I mean, I'm not just pulling this from my arse, it's literally what the guy who invented it wanted. What would you have replace capitalism?kingsteven
    • I know what you mean, I was just commenting on that line of logicernexbcn

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