Iran war/WW3
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Soleimani has fueled a lot of nasty conflicts and killed a lot of people, directly or indirectly, many of them American soldiers — though it's worth noting also that much of his recent effort has been dedicated to fighting ISIS (with great effectiveness, by all accounts) in a tacit uneasy alliance with U.S. forces.
Yet even the worst of Soleimani's record pales in comparison with the most blood-drenched American warmongers. If Soleimani deserves condemnation for arming Iraqi insurgents, then George W. Bush and Dick Cheney deserve 10 times as much for starting the war in the first place. It was a pointless, illegal war of aggression sold on lies that obliterated Iraqi society and killed perhaps half a million people, almost all of them innocent civilians. (Our own Soleimani, General David Petraeus, was connected to the operation of Iraqi torture dungeons and paramilitary death squads during the fight against the insurgency.)
If Soleimani deserves blame for helping Bashar al-Assad brutally defeat Syrian rebels, Henry Kissinger deserves 10 times as much for orchestrating the bombing slaughter of perhaps a quarter million Cambodians and paving the way for the Khmer Rouge genocide that killed 1.7 million people.
If any accused war criminal at an airport is fair game, then there are a lot of people in D.C. and Northern Virginia who better start traveling by train or ship.
Indeed, the Quds Force itself was originally created during the Iran-Iraq War, which was started by a heavily U.S.-backed Saddam Hussein in 1980. A million Iranians died in the grueling eight-year conflict. And the reason the Islamic Republic exists in the first place is because the United States and Britain toppled Iran's fledgling democracy in 1953 and installed a brutal dictator.
It is not exactly hard to understand why Iran — like about every other country in the Middle East — keeps some brutal, hard people like Soleimani around. It's a violent, unstable neighborhood, and war is an unavoidable reality. And no country is more responsible for that fact than the United States.
Chauvinist American commentators always presume America has the best intentions, and that the American military is composed of saintly warrior-poets. The reality is that the lumbering American colossus has unleashed a Thirty Years' War-level of violent chaos all around Iran for no good reason at all. We are ruled by a president who recently reversed the demotion of a guy turned in by his own fellow soldiers for war crimes — namely, gleefully murdering helpless prisoners, old men, and little girls for sport.
- Sort of surprised to see an article like this on a mainstream American news site. Hard to find anything to disagree with here though.yuekit
- All these Americans cheering because "Trump killed the evil terrorist" have the mentality of a 5 year old. It makes sense I guess if you selectively forget theyuekit
- past 50 years of history, including the fact that Trump and his people triggered this most recent confrontation with Iran themselves.yuekit
- yeah but emails._niko
- i agree. but i do find it funny u mentioned bush but left out obama illegal wars and blood on his hands as welldeathboy
- especially the legality of use of executive power especiallyw ith drone attacks.deathboy
- I didn't write the article, but seems like he's running through the "highlights" of American war crimes. Obama wasn't up there with Bush or Kissinger.yuekit
- arguing for an hour with my pops picking up my dog on it. bless his heart he is a conservative but being twisted by media in a lump sum them vs us.deathboy
- my pops doesn't stand for anything of todays rep party. But he gets riled up to follow the lesser sorts promoted by mediadeathboy
- Also give Obama some credit, when it comes to Iran he's the one U.S. president who wasn't chomping at the bit to invade and actually negotiated with them.yuekit
- and starting to repeat shit I know he doesnt even beleive in as talking points (challenge and he'll say wait no but... they said it) all because thedeathboy
- out of defensive instinct to radical left. The AOC and types preaching free everything ignoring any democratic process or fiscal repsonsibilitydeathboy
- he even questioned wehter i was liek my LA sister socialsit liberal type. thinking becuase i challenged view iran guy shoudlnt get murdered i must be socialistdeathboy
- liberal type. Bad mouthing america talkign of our foreign policy. he'll get over it or already has. sent him some study materialdeathboy
- but seeign a change. this polarization of party shit has gotta stop. making peopel lose their objective mindsdeathboy
- yea ukit obama iran policy was good i thoughtdeathboy
- it was one of the stronger points of his administrationdeathboy
- syria libya pakistan... not so much, but maybe why he was friendlier to irandeathboy
- nk is trumps iran.. goddamn bs politics. sick ogf these few fuckin leaders who ruin countries for the masses ith no loss to themselvesdeathboy
- but allies and backdoor deals. im sure saudis will like the increased oil prices with aramcio recent ipo. and dems waitign on a terrorist act now to blame trumpdeathboy
- hoping the bigger the better.sayign you stupid proud orange turd bragging. no you personally killed X amountdeathboy
- its early but i dont like any future scenario from this actiondeathboy
- but still american policy despite political party has equally done harm. only playing teams for identity politics will never do shitdeathboy
- just side line cheerleaders to fuckdeathboy
- fucking notesboymonospaced
- everyone cheer for mono and his insecurities!deathboy
- you go girl!deathboy
- insecurity? about what? it's you who has the chip on the shoulder for your failed education and future life planning, not me.monospaced
- I'm just laughing at your habit of writing dozens of notes, and that triggered you into childish name calling. That's textbook insecurity, you fucktard.monospaced