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- Some serious infighting, but most of America is truly centrist right leaning.robotron3k
- They're right leaning if you ask them about left/right, but if you ask about government programs that give them free goodies they are way to the left.zarkonite
- No one votes for cutting programs they benefit from or for paying higher taxes. It's not a left/right break, it's "I personally benefit from" vs "I don't".zarkonite
- The Obama/Trump voters are a prime example of that kind of thinking.zarkonite
- If Bernie accounced AOC as his running mate, Trump could def be challenged, at least media and fringe-wise. It would be a MSM circus too!robotron3k
- That would be proper entertainment.zarkonite
- ANYONE who leans center right in economy is NOT getting a fucking free ANYTHING from the gov. It’s mostly poor conservatives who are the most socialist recipienmonospaced
- So no, zark. You’re wrong. They vote that way because the right has policies that are just despicable. It’s that simple.monospaced
- If you can name a policy that they benefit from please name it. I’ll wait.monospaced
- You know. The kind that the right would never benefit from. Please.monospaced
- Two days no response. Waiting.monospaced
- Well. What goodies???monospaced
- 5 days later. Still waiting.monospaced
- haha ok mono, you really care too much sometimes. I did mention people, there are lots of counties and even states that went for Obama then Trump.zarkonite
- There's no policy common ground between those two, so it's not about left or right but mostly about what can the candidate do for the voter regardless.zarkonite
- I think Trump made it clear he wanted to bring back manufacturing jobs, and that's how he got all those rustbelt votes which usually go to the Dems.zarkonite
- Now what I don't understand about what you said is that it sounds like you're saying everyone who votes republican does so because they are "despicable"? what!?zarkonite
- ^ That would be a pretty easy argument to make.formed
- Name a single thing. Please. It’s been 8 days and you haven’t backed up your nonsense claim. And yes I can show how republicans vote for despicable things.monospaced
- What exactly do liberals vote for that would give them anything free that they otherwise would not get?monospaced
- @robo Bernie couldn't announce her as his running mate unless she magically aged 5 years.garbage
- Thanks for once again illustrating that nobody has to take you seriously, as you don't even have a grade-school comprehension of how our government works.garbage
- Just to be clear, you made a flat out claim and when asked for a single example you can think of none. Right?monospaced
- @mono That's the robo way. Spew bullshit and then slink away whenever the adults point out how stupid he is. I think he's into mental self-harm.garbage
- Pointless bump for robo's feed and his absolute intellectual cowardice.garbage
- it was zarkonite, unless they're the same person ...monospaced
- What part of people voted for Obama and then Trump don't you understand?zarkonite
- oh, and "just to be clear" I answered your qestion bud.zarkonite
- Look at zark, answering "qestions" so clearly.garbage
- Is he asking a question or did he go off on a monologue about "policies" and tried to pretend like it was related to what I was saying?zarkonite
- here's ANOTHER answer: https://www.washingt…zarkonite
- if you ask a republican what he thinks about obamacare, the answer is OBAMA = BAD! - but if you describe what they get with it, then they all love it.zarkonite
- So, again, left/right philosophy doesn't matter it's all about what a politician promises to do that will impact you personally.zarkonite
- Did you not notice that michigan went for Trump? that means tons of union blue collar guys switched their votes from Ds. Why? because he said he was going tozarkonite
- bring back manufacturing jobs, MAGA, etc. and they bought it. They're just looking at how it will improve their day to day, not their philosophical bend.zarkonite
- you didn't answer shit, which means you don't want to, can't answer, or don't understand the questionmonospaced
- You wrote, " it's "I personally benefit from" vs "I don't"." And I asked you to name ONE thing people personally benefit from that is unique to the left.monospaced
- I didn't go off on policies, and everything I wrote was 100% related to what you wrote. I'm just looking for an example or two.monospaced
- YOU brought up "government programs that give them free goodies" and I asked you to clarify which programs and which goodies the left votes for. Still waiting.monospaced
- A blue collar manufacturing job in Michigan isn't a "free goodie from the government."monospaced
- You're making this about the left, and I don't know why, but I'm not aware of the left being given stuff for free and that's totally outside of what I'm saying.zarkonite
- and I disagree with your argument about jobs not being a free goodie from the government. When the government expands resources to help a sector orzarkonite
- inject money into the economy it is something you're getting for free. Those jobs had a cost, it's like saying that when all those cities begged Amazon to movezarkonite
- their HQ and gave them free taxes in exchange for jobs it wasn't a "goodie" the government was handing out with the intent to benefit people who aren't payingzarkonite
- for said goodie. Now what I am talking about is the decision process that leads people to vote one way or another. I maintain that it's incorrect to try tozarkonite
- predict people's votes by using a left/right axis because that frame of thinking gets overridden by what affects you every day. Keep in mind I'm responding tozarkonite
- the post which basically says the centre is dead, and I think not.zarkonite
- Everything a politician does is paid for by taxes, everyone pays taxes, if a particular group benefits from a government program then some portion of it is freezarkonite
- That's exactly how public healthcare works, I can't personally afford to go to the hospital but when we all pool out money together we ALL can go to th hospitalzarkonite
- Do you understand the argument? even a hard corer right winger will go hard to the left the second you try to take away a program he benefits from. This is truezarkonite
- of almost anyone. Like you said, the Rs are actually the ones getting most of the free shit and yet they claim to be on the right. Hence my statement,zarkonite
- "if you ask [americans] about government programs that give them free goodies they are way to the left" - everyone likes free stuff. Nothing controversial here.zarkonite
- you literally wrote "free goodies," so don't act like that isn't what we're talking about. It seems like yo'ure taking that back, though. Is that right?monospaced
- I ask because conservatives vote against free things and liberals seem to vote for things that benefit everyone, not just themselves.monospaced
- Regardless, it actually seems we see pretty much eye to eye on this. Cheers.monospaced