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This is good on the left wing bubble
- https://mobile.twitt…Gnash
- lolFax_Benson
- Good read. But the Guardian never backed Corbyn's Labour in any way. By far the opposite. And opinion pieces only ever feel like an tokenfadein11
- offering to the few on the left who still consider it a voice for them.fadein11
- lol at the Guardian being left-wing media.fadein11
- ya, ash is obviously a neolib Fascist mouthpieceGnash
- not at all, not even remotely saying that. Just stating facts. The Guardian never backed Corbyn from day one.fadein11
- The vast majority of Guardian output from day one was anti-corbyn. I've witnessed the meltdowns over their 'betrayal' 100's of times.fadein11
- the clue is in 'opinion pieces', aside from Owen Jones, the paper recognised the danger of Momentum, Corbyn and the takeover of the party from day 1.fadein11
- You’re dark blue, I assume
https://d25d2506sfb9…Gnash - Anti-Corbyn doesn’t mean right-wing. The guy was toxicGnash
- yougov lolfadein11
- Yup. Dark blueGnash
- Trust me, the Corbyn movement felt hugely betrayed by the Guardian. They are a different beast these days. Read about the editor Vinerfadein11
- I never supported Corbyn. I agree he was toxic. But far less toxic than Johnson. But I know you lean right, I lean left. We are likely to agree.fadein11
- As you know when Brits comment on N.American politics like I have in the past, it's way more complex than the little picture you get from afar.fadein11
- unlikely to agree*fadein11
- I don’t lean right. I’ve supported either NDP or liberal in every election where I’m from. Never been tempted to vote con in my lifeGnash
- that yougov graph based on people's perceptions isn't a great source. Conservatives feel the BBC is left biased which is utterly ridiculous.fadein11
- is there anything the Corbyn movement doesn't feel betrayed by? You could tell they were upset - by reading and listening to themFax_Benson
- The Guardian shares a lot of left related stories but few were in support of this flavour of Labour and that is a fact not an opinion.fadein11
- in the Guardian, on the BBC, on Sky news...Fax_Benson
- I agree. Butthurt is the term.fadein11
- The guardian obviously leans left. To deny that is just silly. Yes, they’re not the New Worker, but they are anything but right wingGnash
- But that's not what we are discussing here. The Guardian never backed Corbyn. If you can prove me wrong I would love to see evidence.fadein11
- “Lol at the Guardian being left-wing...”Gnash
- I found this article interesting on the same site. https://unherd.com/2…yuekit
- Yes they lean left, I just said they never backed Corbyn from day one. The output for the past few years has been massively anti-Corbyn and pro the other end offadein11
- the party.fadein11
- @gnash, fair enough. Good for you.fadein11
- Talks about the need to create a more culturally conservative left-wing movement. He doesn't really sketch out the economic side though.yuekit
- Again, I don’t think ‘anti-Corbyn’ means what you think it meansGnash
- I didn’t see many puff pieces about Boris in the guardian. Perhaps I missed thoseGnash
- @gnash, yes lol @ the guardian being left wing. It is centrist/centre left. Consdering everyone thinks Corbyn is radical on here I would say centre left.fadein11
- Perhaps we have different definitions of left-wing.fadein11
- @yuekit, that was interesting as wellGnash
- Not forgetting that few of the voters lost would read the Guardian anyway. The Mirror is a better example in this instance. And was far more pro Corbyn.fadein11
- to be fair, they were clearly anti Corbyn by the end. Corbynistas never looked at why beyond 'it's a neo-lib' conspiracy. And they kept Jones, SarkarFax_Benson
- and had regular pro opinion piecesFax_Benson
- yup.fadein11
- And I would say always were anti-Corbyn aside from like you say the odd opinion piece and Owen Jones who did v.little to help the cause.fadein11
- The problem with this article is its also caught in a left-wing echo chamber.fadein11
- I do think you're underestimating how far left he and some of his crew are, though.Fax_Benson
- I don't doubt there are elements of Momentum, unions, membership who are batshit left crazy but it was hard to find anything batshit left crazy in the manifestofadein11
- the last one was 'optimistic'. this one was insane.Fax_Benson
- That's how mad it's got here, policies that function perfectly well and are the norm across much of Europe are now considered insane here. Remove the ideologyfadein11
- and momentum mafia, there was little to be that concerned about. Especially when as a normal person you realise no party delivers on the majority of electionfadein11
- promises. But would love to hear some examples of what you think was insane.
Gotta love the tories though, few days in and already backtracked on all theirfadein11 - election winning carrots.fadein11
- 'election winning' is prob more appropriate.fadein11
- Can't get into it in the notes but you can't go from a decade of austeity to all those policy promises in one go and expect people to take you seriouslyFax_Benson
- It was over ambitious for sure. Sorry I thought you meant an actual policy being insane.fadein11
- Free hospital parking is awesome. I wish we had that here, I spent a small fortune when my daughter was sick.Gnash
- zzzzzzzfadein11
- apologies if you were being serious, thought you may be trolling.fadein11
- 3x/week for a year and a half. She’s all good now, though. CheersGnash
- my bad... glad to hear she is better now.
will be v.surprised if the tories follow through on that election carrot though.fadein11