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- i_monk2
Once again the working class has voted against its own interests.
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- yeah but why? Why would they do that?Fax_Benson
- < This is the most arrogant and condescending statement i've heard in a while.Morning_star
- It's true.shapesalad
- morning star's comment is equally arrogant and condescending.shapesalad
- Brexit doesn't benefit them. They'll be the ones made surplus when the market crumbles, they'll be paying more for basic imports, they'll have less mobility.i_monk
- The middle and working classes are readily sold on values and identity, and Cons tie those to policies that objectively hurt those same people.i_monk
- The left is, generally, bad at the moral outrage/lamenting the loss of the glorious past/boo brown people invading, and has a tougher time selling its policies,i_monk
- https://pbs.twimg.co…Gnash
- The Labour Party has been sneering at the WC for ages. Smearing them as uneducated racists - it’s no wonder they’ve turned their backs on themGnash
- @Gnash ^ this +infinitytrooperbill
- Examples of the current leadership sneering at the working class? Weren't they mainly far left union types and even pro Brexit in some cases?yuekit
- @yuekit, there aren't any (from the leadership).fadein11
- But look forward to seeing some examples.fadein11
- And yes Corbyn was behind leave for decades, but the right in the party forced a compromise which probably lost the election.fadein11
- Lol, you guys are are funny :)Gnash
- examples please?fadein11
- leadership not members.fadein11
- I'm saying there is perception and then reality. The guy who won is literally named "Alexander de Pfeffel." Real man of the working class there :)yuekit
- the UK is so different to N.America, our media is nearly all right-wing. It's v.different over here but I guess easy to think it's the same as over there.fadein11
- @yuekit, my comments weren't directed at you. "The Labour Party has been sneering at the WC for ages" directed at this nonsense. Members yes, leadership no.fadein11
- Yeah I was responding to Gnashyuekit
- Ya, I guess the wc abandoned Labour because illusions. That makes sense nowGnash
- You don't think the mass media can heavily influence people, especially when it's endlessly attacking one side over the other? haha cmon...yuekit
- It wasn't all that, mainly Brexit but a big factor. Apparently Corbyn's a terrorist. Absurd.fadein11
- To be fair, Corbyn is pretty far to the left and was always going to have an uphill fight to get elected. But many of the attacks on him were completelyyuekit
- ridiculous from what I could tell. I seem to remember right after he was chosen as leader there was a big controversy about him not signing the national anthemyuekit
- loudly enough at a ceremony lol. If the working class (or anyone) made decisions based on nonsense like that, of course they are not getting the full picture.yuekit
- Indeed yuekit. He wasn't even that radical, pretty normal across Europe but he certainly was painted that way. There were big problems though and as faxfadein11
- said it was a middle class university educated movement that didn't speak to traditional Labour voters esp with Brexitfadein11
- thrown into the mix. Ironic that years of austerity + Brexit made Labour heartlands choose a party that has zero desire to improve their lives.fadein11
- Even by European standards I think Corbyn was pretty far left, especially on foreign policy. And that may have been his undoing...it's one thing to have ayuekit
- someone like Trump get elected who is personally unstable but shares the same worldview as a lot of American military types. But Corbyn was willing toyuekit
- criticize Israel, question whether we should be selling arms to Saudi Arabia, ask whether the UK should be paying for nuclear arms, etc.yuekit
- Not saying he is wrong...he's probably right on many issues. But a worldview like that is completely unacceptable to a lot of people in power.yuekit
- yep for sure.fadein11
- Blair's foreign policy (Iraq, WMD, Kelly etc.) was seen as a massive betrayal to many many Labour voters who fled. Corbyn's stance on that was v.appealing.fadein11
- Especially after how many arms have been sold to Saudis for war in Yemen.fadein11
- By not that radical I meant renationalisation of railways and other infrastructure. Quite normal in Europe. And a smallish rise in Corporation tax, yet stillfadein11
- way lower than France and Germany. The railways should be a bigger scandal than it is. Most of ours are run by European nationalised railways at a huge profit.fadein11
- We as tax payers in UK actually subsidise nationalised railway services elsewhere in Europe. It's bizarre.fadein11
- There was some good stuff on offer but as you say he was always going to be a target of the establishment and our majority right-wing press had a field day.fadein11
- re: railways, as customers not tax payers I should've said.fadein11
- the media barely got started on him in truth. Not singing the anthem and looking scruffy IS a big issue, unfortunately. It's stupid but it is news.Fax_Benson
- The media destroyed him. But he was an easy target. Way too easy. It went way deeper than scruffiness and national anthems.fadein11
- Have you seen his brother? They stayed away from his ex wife and their split, his weird relationship with D Abbott. His public school bg.Fax_Benson
- They were more respectful of his private life than they were of Johnson and previous Labour leaders. Remember the shit Cherie Blaire got?Fax_Benson
- the media are fucking awful but Corbyn's treatment wan't out of the ordinary.Fax_Benson
- Abbott r'ship was mentioned a lot. He went to prep school and then grammar and also learnt that via the media.fadein11
- But yes I guess the targetted what hurt most, terrorist sympoathiser, anti-semite etc. But yep I know others have also suffered. The endless whiningfadein11
- from his disciples about BBC bias was highly irritating. If they had focussed more time on something else things may have gone a little better.fadein11