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Just was in peru talking up a venezuelan bartender. Always have to take into consideration far fetched tales to foreigners for tips, however peru's service industry seems to be far lacking on western standards and customs of practices and game. So im inclined to believe him.
Talked about how he was treated in peru. A bit mixed. Some get it others don't like it. But very proud of his papers and that he did it legally and mistook my wording about illegal based on certification papers about schooling. Also almost teared up talking about his family left behind and the fact he can probably never go see them again. They stayed because it was their home. He sends money but still fears for their safety. Happy to live in a district near the airport in Lima vs back home. Mentioned his grandma had two homes and was forced to give up one property and how it was unfair she earned it and worked hard. He believed in working hard and thinking he can maybe further progress in service industry and migrate to europe since US is so hard to get into. Was surprised US current populism on socialism. I summed it up as education preaches it because they get paid for it. He seemed disappointed in the news.... said ignorance rises and eventually fails, just societies. He also mentioned being at some military live fire against protestors which is another reason he had to get out. Never heard of such things, but also not surprised to surprised since information locally is so different than the papers.
One other thing i find is amazing like this guy is technology in learning languages. Playstation fifa and gaming or netflix.
I think a lot of people just don't get it. They live in ivory castles compared to those who don't have what they have. Yet think everyone who has more than them is evil and needs someone to spread their wealth. I say 6 days a week in cinder block huts and even some shanty hillside stuff with 2 hour commutes... and plumbing that you can't drop poop tissue into... sigh we have it so fuckin easy in the states. And i wonder if people ever consider their true socialism as to making their lives equal to those in other countries. A 70k indebted kid talking of equality really willingly give up his livelihood to live as poor in other countries live?
Also always culturally interesting how poor in us live in tent cities vs the shanty towns and building homes on land on outskirts. Something pioneerish and honest about other countries vs the the states tent cities.
I would really implore people to consider other cultures or even try to learn about them. Real testaments. No MSM news. Plenty of info out there if cant visit first hand. as o w holmes said a mind stretched by a new experience can never go back to its original shape or some shit like that
- < why @garbage needs a few visas stamped in his passport.hotroddy
- ha im not sure garbage views or opinions are even real. think the joke is in the namedeathboy
- the deep understanding of a man that can't even construct a sentence. 'education promotes socialism because they are paid for it' bahahahkingsteven
- king can you state what incentive of public education, or even higher education promotes less public funding? Less socialism?deathboy
- what do you contribute to the growth of colleges/hospitals king? 2 non profit industries with rampant price increases and growthdeathboy
- its pretty obvious when even the guy with limited english could see the perverse incentive structuresdeathboy
- but i get it king, you think some idea of socialism will cure you of all things you dont like, similar to the trump supporters who thinkdeathboy
- building walls and tweeting dumb shit will save jobs and create wealth. the truth is never really the point. just chasing a belief they can feel good aboutdeathboy
- which is also surprising the adoption of catholicism. spaniards tried to destroy culture as most conquests work. and yet the religion stuck a bitdeathboy
- didn't fight it but adapted it with their own existing beliefs. something I find interesting. A positive belief structure adopted insteaded of tryingdeathboy
- to be destroyed... or maybe it's more of had to pretend faith in times and just became the norm... but i like the adoptions of the mountains and such into cathdeathboy
- olic symbolism. but maybe people just like to adopt beliefs that promise better futures, regardless if its real or not.deathboy
- oh and they had some of the cutest stray dogs I've seen. Only saw one dead one on the street, but most also seem to get traffic.deathboy
- what do i contribute... i work for a university, in a hospital, i contribute to papers on healthcare learning? in a country with amazing social healthcare?kingsteven
- as i've stated before, im not a socialist and this whole story with you talking to a bartender in peru is just fucking hilarious. how you come to the conclusionkingsteven
- that american poor folks are worthless and scum because they expect care but in other countries they're 'pioneering' because they have no expectations. amazing.kingsteven
- Yeah.. if you call a miserable health and medical index (all thanks to tropical socialized health care) “Pioneering”.hotroddy
- And that ‘bartender’ is one of 6million people that have left Venezuela. Largest recorded exodus/migration for any country not currently at warhotroddy
- But if it makes you feel better to think its just one anecdote and transpose your idea of European health care on us — than go for it!hotroddy
- what king? what do you contribute isnt you personally its what market forces you see contributedeathboy
- public and private.. you clearly are missing what im talking about. and never did i say american poor are worthless, or other countries pioneer based on "poor"deathboy
- standard you define. I merely stated an obvious difference of tent cities vs shanty townsdeathboy
- and related them to poor pioneering days of us vs big city statesdeathboy
- but good to know you really don't contribute shit for your profession. +1. The person who wants unlimited funding for his pay day. If not for public funds coulddeathboy
- work in the private market? Guessing you don;t because there simply is no financial incentivesdeathboy
- okay... i got the original analogy you were trying to make and it's still terrible. all universities in the UK are private sector, most of what we do is educatekingsteven
- people to get qualifications to get better jobs. there are very few students engaging in any philosophical political or economic discussion in class.kingsteven
- well UK is different than US. Our education system/healthcare non-profit subsidization system is way differentdeathboy
- in talking to the kid about US im not talking about UK. You are applying a different metric system to my discussiondeathboy
- we could discuss the educational system of the UK vs US and look at failures or successes in a completely different topic, but that is not related to thisdeathboy
- and if you find it terrible back up why on basis of the arguement. its terrible because it's false for X and Y reasons...etc..deathboy
- but not because well it's not UK which was never the point or even context of any portion of the conversationdeathboy
- well tbh, you were asking what could change in US? but tbh. young people are not being indoctrinated to marxism in university on a mass scale and i waskingsteven
- just trying to point out that the education system in countries that hold more traditional socialist values are often more commercially focused than the USkingsteven
- US education is not be indoctrinated towards socialism? that is a matter of opinion and no matter overwhelming evidence it still is impossible to make adeathboy
- conclusive statement since so much is subjective. but yes with that said edu in public schools in us and have been that way for a long timedeathboy
- goes back to john dewey and his beliefs and travels. he always believed in a smart ruling class and best to educate submissiondeathboy
- because dumb ppl are dangerous and best to control the dumb masses through education and instead of individual thought memorize narratives. get rewardeddeathboy
- for it. hard not to find school book saying FDR was a scoundrel who attempted to go against term limits and promote his bill of rightsdeathboy
- public school history teaches he is a champion that brought us out a dark time. any text book you can look at.deathboy
- im limited on my british history and never experienced what they sell. but trust me the us public edu is broke as fuckdeathboy
- and anyone who can afford to not use it as daycare sure as well goes privatedeathboy
- lol you lied to him that’s funnymonospaced
- not surprised to see you arguing against standard education since clearly it failed you and your predecessors so miserably. It’s almost sad your existence.monospaced
- So now education is socialist and what, must go? Makes sense if you want others to be as ignorant and stupid as you. Lol.monospaced
- I can a chat with a young colleague and he said he left college for a while in 2009, ret a few years later and they were teaching socialism an PC tems overnightrobotron3k
- He couldn't believe it. I recently saw a young professional woman at a talk introduce herself as "'Name' she, her" def brainwashed.robotron3k
- So you also think that now all education is worthless. Not surprising if you want to ensure all conservatives remain idiots. That’s what devos wants.monospaced
- sigh mono... you need to give up your collective idea of "higher edu" Church higher edu = to college? Im jefferson in knowing edu is foundationdeathboy
- and im aware and care enough to know msot of what is being peddled as higher edu is chinese knockoffs in a bazaar amongst young dumb fucks with easy accessdeathboy
- to credit to be swindled. As far as education is socialist... follow the money. If its mostly funded publicly you can be certain they will follow any collectivedeathboy
- policy because it serves them. its the "greed" that somehow ppl blindly ignore that effects individuals in public and even more so in no profits markets.deathboy
- but ... you just dont get any of that. insult insult and anything that makes u comfortable. i need copy pasta docs for how many times we go round and rounddeathboy
- I understand the situation and clearly you don’t. And clearly you are uneducated because your word diarrhea is barely intelligible. Your grasp of reality is badmonospaced
- mmm hmm mono. keep repeating it as much as you want maybe someday it will become true "thumbs up" tigerdeathboy
- the fact that you wrote a triple run-on sentence with several mistakes on top of that is just proving my pointmonospaced
- a coward runs towards grammar instead of meaning. probably can quote thatdeathboy