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Good article by Briahna Gray about the debate within the Democratic Party
https://theintercept.com/2019/01…
The idea that you can have another Hillary Clinton or Emmanuel Macron type candidate and be successful against Trump seems increasingly far fetched. And yet there is definitely a group of people within the Dem party that seems intent on doing exactly that.
- Macron is closer to Trump than he is to Clinton. He's an outsider that promised to change the system.zarkonite
- Yeah but he's definitely carrying out the list of approved policies of status quo elites. Very different from Trump in that respect.yuekit
- If anything I would say Macron represents the evolution of the Bill Clinton center left to the point of dropping the association with the left altogether.yuekit
- people want something different but can't bring themselves to vote socialist in large enough numbers - in the US and UK, France, lots of Europe.Fax_Benson
- we might have to wait until Trump and the new populists have been around long enough for people to realise they don't have any ideas or policiesFax_Benson
- and rational centrism can disassociate itself from neoliberal elites, and it becomes the radical alternative.Fax_Benson
- or something else might happen, probably. who knows.Fax_Benson
- I don't think it necessarily has to be socialism. The key test would be whether the person would be willing to enact policy that genuinely pisses off elites andyuekit
- wealthy interests. Something that does not seem to be true of most so-called centrist politicians.yuekit
- For instance anti-corruption and public funding of elections is a non-socialist idea that "centrist" Dems won't touch because it threatens their donors' power.yuekit
- Macron will be out next election replaced by LePen, his poll numbers are horrible. The Dems will be eating themselves, just you watch.robotron3k
- yuekit: in france Macro is considered on the right... he's a leftist to you because you're seeing from an american POV. I'm not sure what you mean by approvedzarkonite
- policies of the elitists?zarkonite
- LePen's moment has come and gone, she needs to step aside to let the movement find its footing or she'll sink it.zarkonite
- Yes we'll France thought it was getting a Trudeau, but instead got an ultra-elite. I saw their protests, they were wimpy.robotron3k
- They can have our Trudeau, I'll throw in a poutine and a moose for free.zarkonite