Sexual Harassment of the DAY
Sexual Harassment of the DAY
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- this is great but the problem is that the majority of women didn't feel empowered and needed something like this to feel as strong as she does.shellie
- she didn't mention this, but perhaps if she had been raped or seriously assulted, she would realize the shut down that occurs which can paralyse someone intoshellie
- inaction. something i have personally experienced. In my mind i would be a tough bitch. in practice it doesnt aways happen. its uncontrollable.shellie
- ^ You make an assumption about her to discredit the argument. You're also missing that she's arguing the solution, not the problem.cannonball1978
- "What women want: fun freedom and an end to feminism"sarahfailin
- what exactly his her solution? Im not seeing it, but im not wearing my glasses. what i got from her is she wishes women felt empowered without #metooshellie
- (@sarah, her position is that the current feminist paradigm infantilizes women)Gnash
- @shellie Its not just #metoo, she has issues with contempo feminism being tone-deaf to class. I suppose if you crack her book you’ll get her take.cannonball1978
- i have to read her whole book? im talking about what she's saying I this screenshot. if she can't communicate the answer there, her statement is not a solutionshellie
- her opinion is different than yours shellie. not wrong and certainly not deserving of attack by your admittedly narrow point of viewimbecile
- When she talks about victim culture, is that what the whole #metoo campaign encourages? It's not an overall solution. Is that what you mean Shellie?Ianbolton
- Shellie, shes talking about contempofeminism having the wrong one, not her having the right one btw. You can necessarily discuss one and not touch on the other.cannonball1978
- But imaging it wouldnt take much internet sleuthing to uncover her positive assertionscannonball1978
- Assertions as solutions, i meancannonball1978
- cannon said "You're also missing that she's arguing the solution, not the problem." im just asking what the solution is then?shellie
- Ill try to be more clear: her issue is with the solutions that feminism takes. This blurb doesn’t have a solution. The solution I mean is feminism’s (#metoo etccannonball1978
- Ill also add that I dont agree with everything she is for BUT I agree that the ideologies of modern feminism is just one path... and a path that seemscannonball1978
- ... to not welcome skepticism or criticism. Even though people like Ella are on the same page more or less when it comes to societys ills.cannonball1978
- Even simpler: Feminism: “I have a way to deal with these problems.” Her: “Yes these are problems but thats the wrong solution.”cannonball1978
- Shellie: “Whats your solution, then, huh?! Huh!?” Her: “Not this stupid stuff, which is prolly making stuff worse.”cannonball1978
- that doesn't seen contructive at all. it just sounds like bitchy backseat driver with no driving tips or directions.shellie
- Remove and replace > build on faulty premisecannonball1978
- I don't see why she calls it a phantom epidemic when in reality you have new stories about this on an almost daily basis.yuekit
- Which of the allegations is she saying aren't serious? Or she just doesn't like the storyline because it doesn't go with her anti-feminist worldview?yuekit
- ^ perhaps, reread it.Gnash
- She tries to inject class into it to somehow invalidate the storyline but...where is she getting this from? I'm pretty sure working class women don't want to beyuekit
- sexually harassed either.yuekit
- "Normal, working-class women don't get a look-in. We're the wrong kind of women"yuekit
- Seems like a strange complaint. Was she expecting the evening news to report on some waitress at a local diner getting her ass grabbed?yuekit
- She says "we" but she's the editor of a magazine and a published author. Pretty sure she's not working class herself.yuekit
- I guess we're not reading the same thingGnash
- I mean it's only four paragraphs. And I even quoted her directly a couple times.yuekit
- you use some of her words, but not the meaning or intent.Gnash
- who are you to say she's not working class? Perhaps she worked her way through school. or perhaps she just identifies that way.Gnash
- She never suggested WC women want to be assaulted.Gnash
- When she says "phantom epidemic" she's not suggesting sexual assault isn't happening, only that it's not this brand, new trend nobody has noticed until now.Gnash
- she's suggesting that feminist movement is exclusive of WC women and is "spurred on by...[list]" which is a reasonable statementGnash
- She seems to be saying there's something frivolous or misguided about people coming forward with sexual assault stories.yuekit
- It just seems disconnected from the seriousness of many of the actual stories. Of course if they all involved touching someone's knee I could see her point.yuekit
- ^ this. and honestly safety in numbers is a huge reason ppl are coming forward. i posted a story here in March and it took over a decade for me to say anythingshellie
- yet still, for now, im protecting his idenity because it. is. hard! i know if i drop his name, his wife abd fam will suffer. if i don't, others may suffer.shellie
- that's one bc way people are silenced. Also a fear if being blackballed. that is very real. i dont see how ending that sick cycle is a bad idea.shellie
- "Neither do you need a social media movement to have the guts to stand up to any guy who crosses the line."cannonball1978
- To my mind, when you take it to social media, you aren't confronting your abuser, You are saying some things and then letting the public confront them.cannonball1978
- And the fucked up thing is that I can't rationalize like that without someone incapable of critical thought assume I'm "on the wrong team".cannonball1978
- Set things right, yes. But social media is too distorted and fucked up for any proportional justice or perspective.cannonball1978
- People are unable to establish or distinguish between what exactly the different levels of inappropriate behavior are. Long hug = rape. Etc.cannonball1978
- So that spools up hysteria, erodes how we talk and think about things. Victims have their solidarity and pseudo-safety. The trade off is we can't think straightcannonball1978
- about the actual issues that made them victims to begin with , because the issues themselves are uses for political power.cannonball1978
- *end rant*cannonball1978