Star Wars Episode VIII

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    .... Watched it. There is nothing better in the world in when a new edition to a film series that meant so much to you as a child and you get the chance to take your own kid whom is now a fan. Music started then the logo came up. Son hugged - it was a treasured moment...

    That said TERRIBLE WRITING/ Directing, great film-making but fucking hell you could hear the Disney committee board members tear at what was an interesting idea.
    I enjoyed the long length but fucking hell it was repetitive with the last minute saves.

    So many major grips but main one was how they handled the political correctness. Should samurai's/ Jedi's be all white ... no, should they be of the universe (black, asian, female, of alien origin) fuck yeah of cause. Do I care, only with the quality of character arc. They were too busy ticking committee PC boxes that some characters whom happened to be were left lifeless.
    Why cant they just be well written and why only the good side but all the baddies just White or Japanese. Come one.
    The way the men were portrayed rolled my eyes. I don't see this in real life so why is it so hyped up on the screen?

    Why are Rai and Kylo Ren so powerful compared to Luke and Darth?

    Laura Dern - fuck yeah. Obvious death/ character arc but fuck yeah. A character that should have been left alive. Why couldnt a droid stay back?

    I nearly cried when Disney wrote out my childhood hero in savior of that weak limp character Rai. Why ... the only reason I could think of was she was all powerful "female" (marked as PC not any feelings I have against females) she didn't need training cause she had a dream once ... cause those light sabers are so easy to wield ... Luke had depth, history and a life left to live. I really feel cheated.

    Disney makes one off book ended films that for some reason are loved. Star Wars was a set of films that actually meant a damn to people. They have a life.

    Luke was fucking bad arse and still needed.

    The writing mirroring Empire was so obvious they even mocked it "...Salt" "they really hate that ship".

    Chewee becoming vegan was funny -- those cute dodo's were not needed. Nor was ice bambi - fuck off Disney selling push toys.

    I also found this instantly hypercritical, that evil arms dealer city looked incredibly like Cannes and the people stereotypical film makers. Cameo from Theroux made me think directly of Hollywood (his role in Mulholland Drive). But the rebels were fighting for the kiddies, to stop these evil slave drivers exploiting the kids... the same as Disney's sweat shops... left me dirty.

    Smok was a joke, "I can read his mind". Jedi's can sense killing intent.

    Star Wars was practically stolen from the greatest film maker of all time. The world benefited from it million fold. I didn't see film makers telling stories any more, I just see committees selling products and hypocrisy.

    I sound so cynical. Where is the love of story telling? Making people laugh honestly not over sarcasm. Touching people's hearts with love,romance and above all humanity. Giving people a sense of wonder. This is a cooperate commitee making films. We are stuck with this director/writer for another 3 films. Can't we have Gareth Edwards?

    Turned into a rant! VFX was great though ;-)

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    • fuck that was a long rant! I'm a rather passionate fella!mugwart
    • You think Rey is a weak / limp character? Wow. Also, remember it still IS a kid's movie, so our adult grudges may just be out of timecolin_s
    • Curious about your criticisms of Johnson though; I thought his direction was spot on, if the writing was just a bit off / joke heavy at timescolin_s
    • The film had no voice. It felt more of a commitee around a war room arguing about toy sales.
      There was no director. Rogue one had a director, it had a voice.      mugwart
    • He directed the camera better than JJ. Acting was better than JJ. Jokes were off and not needed so much. It was more the events.mugwart
    • The fact it is a kids movie actually made me cry. There is no voice for children these days just sales. I found myself numb and very sad. I took my family tomugwart
    • the comic shop afterwards and felt the same there. Story telling is so pure and so essential to the human spirit. Comedy is about bullying different opinions.mugwart
    • Romance is "weird" (yes I know its complex issues).
      This ... this was a let down. Why did Luke do this? Han solo suprise saves were him turning a cheek      mugwart
    • everythign here was stringing together scenes the commitees wanted.mugwart
    • Dont get me wrong I wanted Rai to be great. I wanted her arch to be fucking kick arse. She should be raw, she should be angry, she should be confused.mugwart
    • She's like the DareDevil - she should be the bad guy but something is holding on to her. Something that was never taught to her -- humanitymugwart
    • Its an amazing story arch. Its why she could be so raw. Shes a contract to Kylo.
      But nothing was explored other than a finger touch. Which should have meant a      mugwart
    • great dealmugwart
    • sadly I think you're taking stabs at the movie from a cynical eye. word is Rian Johnson had barely any input from the Disney fat cats. This is HIS film.inteliboy
    • I think the secondary characters - rose, finn, poe - are the ones vocalizing 'for the kids', very obvious in their choice of settings (rich vs poor)colin_s
    • Also the theme of the movie was "kill the past" so it was very much a warning, "this will not be what you expect" etc. - a re-tooling of the expectedcolin_s
    • kill the past but it remains the same.
      I hope it wasn't just his film... I would be more sad as there was no voice at all.
      Luke had no reason to die      mugwart
    • yoda/ obi won/ Anarkin all had a meaning. Symbolic. Luke's is fear meditationmugwart
    • and the award for least coherent criticism goes to ...e-wo
    • the dark side won. enjoy the corporate thrill ride!since1979
    • E-wo, your rigjtn doing this made me realise how exhausted I am currently. The film left me in an emotional state. Didn't really edit this much.mugwart
    • Why is this rant on the front page!!
      & its * #right!      mugwart
    • I love when people complain about PC when it's just a passive aggressive form of bigotry. This world is complete fiction and you're actually complaining aboutCyBrainX
    • all the characters not being white. That's what it boils down to.CyBrainX
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