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Out of context: Reply #492
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- detritus0
Huh, one of my biggest bugbears over the past years has been been the sense that UK had managed to gut its manufacturing base, so this is a bit of a surprise to me..
"new data shows that Britain is now the 8th largest industrial nation with an annual output now worth $249bn, up from 9th place last year."
- be interesting to know how much of that is genuinely British manufacturing and how much is overseas companies building here for export to EuropeFax_Benson
- yeah, true - we are Nissan, Siemens, Komatsus et al's worker bitch after alldetritus
- Brexit could be pretty good if somebody else was doing it, in about ten years time, with a plan and some costings and a less cuntish attitude.Fax_Benson
- once the various looming crises have been cleaned up.Fax_Benson
- I'm just trying to grab on to whatever I can before the rug's pulled from underneath us all.detritus
- The growth can be attributed to the huge drop in the £ making us way cheaper and businesses ramping up orders before they jump ship.monoboy
- Shame. As our manufacturing businesses are world class. But they are bought and sold to the lowest foreign bidders by boards that want dividends.monoboy
- And before that, in 2015 when we surpassed the French? Or do we default to shitting on everything about our country because some decision didn't go our way?detritus
- Sure, some of that growth is directly attributable to currency rates, but it saddens me how quick many in our country are to be negative.detritus
- Yeah. It's like putting a hard hat on before being kicked in the balls.Fax_Benson
- Now, to your last note I do agree with, sadly - that's why I wanted to post < this . That's an endemic 'class' problem though, nothing to do with Brexit.detritus
- i wish more in Blighty had long-term local perspective, something like Germany's Mittelstand. All that died out here decades ago though.detritus
- we've been cutting away at the roots for so long and so deep that, with brexit on top, the whole things is going to topple overFax_Benson
- Manufacturing remains the backbone of the Germany economy. They have a supply chain that goes from steel to a BMW, to the purchaser financing.monoboy
- We dismantled that in the 80s in favour of a free market economy that favours the finance and service industry.monoboy
- Why provide jobs to unionised northerners when you can make shite loads sitting at a nice desk in the City.monoboy
- The EU takes a more socially democratic view, whereby the free-market is great, as long as it's for the 'greater good'. Which is why the Tories hate it.monoboy
- Sometimes, yes, but the EU is often just as placatory towards big business as any other political agglomeration.detritus
- Witness the change in law next year wherein charges for payment by credit cards are no longer allowed - who does that best serve? Consumer or business?detritus
- Witness the nkultiple legsilations that aren't affordable by small businesses and startups. The EU's not perfect - in fact, it's got a lot wrong with it.detritus
- ..but as said so often, we'd still likely be better off inside as a political ane economical counterweight to federalist conglomerate fantasies.detritus
- The EU is just a mutually beneficial trade agreement between rich nations. Businesses bend the rules and call the shots. But it's fundamentally positive.monoboy
- Where it fails, is the fiscal management of poorer EU nations and the banking industry. What the EU did to Greece was outrageous.monoboy
- But that has more to do with ECB, corrupt Greeks government and the crash of 2008 than the principles of the EU. Shame really.monoboy
- Do you know which of the big EU countries has the highest compliance rate? The UK. Who plays by the rules more than Germany, France or Italy?detritus
- Which are the countries who bend EU regs by illegally supporting national industries the most? France, Germany and Spain.detritus
- The UK joined the EU as a member of a trading bloc - we have no problems with that and fairer than any other. Has it benefitted us more than not being part?detritus
- No one can say. Which two national banks were the most against the Euro? BoE and the Bundesbank. Why? Because of the real fear of a 2 speed federation.detritus
- the EU has some SERIOUS fundamental problems tha go way past Greece's treatment. Go visit Italy and see what cost they pay to German supremacy.detritus
- our leaving is sad, and has been much missold to the electorate, but it is NOT without reason, and is NOT provably a catastrophic decision.detritus
- German 'leadership' is pragmatic to the point of utopianism and is ultimately inward looking navel gazing borne of a chip-shouldered guilt complexdetritus
- we always had the best deal though, so much leeway. but yep the UK (or it's elite) will never toe the line - still trapped in empire dreams.fadein11
- Ughft, I wish people would stop regurgitating that crap - honestly, how many people have you met 'harking after Empire'?detritus
- Liam Fox, the Brexit secretary. Has a portrait of Cecile Rhodes above his desk.monoboy