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There is an Article in a big german Newspaper (Der Tagesspiegel) already questioning if there will be an open war between the Trump Administration and the Deep State:
Droht in den USA ein Krieg zwischen der Regierung und dem "tiefen Staat"?
The Article (in german):
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/polit…Lets compare how the Press is treating Donald Trump and how the Press treated the last President Obama. All the war crimes and crimes against humanity of Obama where treated as nothing happened, and now every word of Trump is laid on a golden scale? This alone should snap you out of your brainwash induced blind hatred for Trump and show you how obviously backed by the deep state run media Obama was, and how they now obviously want Trump out of power.
Here's just a small selections of what Obama did in his presidency, that the media didn't shout about. Yet they shout about a few actions, insignificant in comparison, about Trump and have the sheep completely brainwashed in to deep illogical hatred. Scary stuff.
Obama sent 3,500 U.S. troops and tanks to Russia's doorstep in one of his final decisions as president.
In 2016 alone Obama dropped 26,171 bombs (an average of 72 bombs every day).
Put boots on the ground in Syria , despite 16 times saying "no boots on the ground".
Despite campaign pledges, planned a $1 trillion progam to add more nuclear weapons to the US arsenal in the next 30 years.
Dropped bombs in 7 Muslim countries; and then bragged about it .
Said, “I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being.”
Bragged about his use of drones - I'm "really good at killing people".
Deported a modern-record 2 million immigrants.
Signed the Monsanto Protection Act into law.
Started a new war in Iraq .
Initiated, and personally oversees a 'Secret Kill List'.
Pushed for war on Syria while siding with al-Qaeda .
Backed neo-Nazis in Ukraine.
Supported Israel's wars and occupation of Palestine.
Deployed Special Ops to 134 countries - compared to 60 under Bush.
Did a TV commercial promoting "clean coal".
Drastically escalated the NSA spying program .
Signed the NDAA into law - making it legal to assassinate Americans w/o charge or trial.
Given Bush absolute immunity for everything.
Pushed for a TPP Trade Pact .Started a new war on terror - this one on ISIS .
Signed more executive memoranda than any other president in history.
Transferred more than $100 billion in arms sales to Saudi Arabia, more than any other administration in history.
Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia .
Opened a military base in Chile.Touted nuclear power , even after the disaster in Japan.
Opened up deepwater oil drilling, even after the BP disaster.
Mandated the Insider Threat Program which orders federal employees to report suspicious actions of their colleagues.
Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports.
Signed the Patriot Act extension into law.
Launched 20,000 Airstrikes in his first term.
Continued Bush's rendition program.
Said the U.S. is the "one indispensable nation" in the world.
Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.
Started a covert, drone war in Yemen.
Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.
Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.
Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.
Repealed the Propaganda ban, making it legal to spread government propaganda via news outlets.
Assassinated 4 US citizens with drone strikes.
- Yet the mass hysteria against Trump is monumental. If you can't see how obvious the mind control program here is, then bad news for you - you're a victim of it.********
- In relation to the german news article, the point is... there is already obviously a secret war waging between those two parties.********
- Obama sent 3,500 U.S. troops and tanks to Russia's doorstep lol where?********
- Backed neo-Nazis in Ukraine. lol WHAT?********
- Started a new war in Iraq . WHAT?********
- Opened up deepwater oil drilling, yeah sure he was the one who did it.********
- this list is some serious bullshit.********
- Conservative newspaper yep. Why do you always assume dislike for Trump = love for Obama?
What is your opinion on Bannon, Pence etc.?fadein11 - It's not bullshit. Not all of it. But if you think it's objective and in-context and doesn't come with an agenda, you're as daft as anyone else.Fax_Benson
- Love the logic that disliking a terrifying character like Steve Bannon equates to being a brainwashed sheep. Yeah great logic.fadein11
- The list is not bullshit if you care to think and research for yourself. And no one ever said hate for trump = love for obama. That's an incredibly stupid way..********
- to look at what's being said. The point is, look at the actions of Obama and the media's coverage of him. Compared to Trumps actions and the coverage of him...********
- This alone tells you who he is against, and also who is brainwashed to against him.********
- Yep - I get that. But I don't get my opinions of Trump, Bannon, Pence etc. from MSM and the fact you assume everyone here does is insulting and silly as per.fadein11
- If you cannot see the difference in mind control tactics in terms of actions verses media induced public opinion, then you're a victim of it.********
- But yes the weight of the media is certainly against him for sure in comparison to Obama - but he hasn't done a great deal to help that has he in last few days.fadein11
- @set - calm down - I said I get that. It's pretty obvious as well, hardly surprising either.fadein11
- I'm perfectly calm, and haven't once even hinted at being anything other than perfectly calm.********
- @sted - calling something bullshit based solely and obviously on your own ignorance isn't really the best method of approach to this subject, I'd suggest.********
- Okay. Your knee jerk assumptions about everyone here made me think you were getting a little wound up. But all cool.fadein11
- Using a well known conservative newspaper and a NY tabloid rag as sources isn't going to help matters when discussing media brainwashing.fadein11
- if questioning the mainstream media's output has led you to alternative sources of information, don't forget to question those too, kids.Fax_Benson
- oh, man i'm calling this bullshit because it's a mixed list with real and fake things.********
- "Backed neo-Nazis in Ukraine" - this crap was for example a well known rassan narrative back in the days.********
- and you ate it like a baby.********
- NATO exercises:
"Obama sent 3,500 U.S. troops and tanks to Russia's doorstep"
and for a facts just look up about rassan exercises around the borders of europe.******** - I'm pretty sure Murdochs MSM right-wing arm grilled Obama for eight years.inteliboy
- and the countless upon countless posts and articles and pieces just like this about how awful Obama is.inteliboy
- yet somehow trump is the victim of the press after a few weeks in office. "wah wah wah wah obama was way worse" Yeah well, he's not president anymore.inteliboy
- Ok ok they are both assholes. What's your point?scruffics
- And what does MLK have to with anything, you cretin?!scruffics
- I think I've made my point at least a few times now. If it's still failng to sink in then I don't think making it again will help you.********
- @inteliboy, if you vermicelli fail to see the difference in people's opinions, emotional reaction and blind hatred towards trump compared with Obama...********
- ... then there is truly no hope for you.********
- Is set the new yurimon?
Discuss.Continuity - Vermicelli fail. Nice.
Honestly ********* - Curious to know if you really believe Trump is going to rectify any of this.monospaced
- ^ i took vermicelli to mean, fancy verminGnash
- 'Deep state': "..a way for people to try and pathologize or render conspiratorial the normal workings of exec branch agencies and power vis-a-vis..."BuddhaHat
- ".. the foreign policy apparatus more generally."
https://www.thenatio…BuddhaHat - "Mills cites in The Power Elite: “There is a great difference between locating conspiracies in history and saying that history is, in effect, a conspiracy,.."BuddhaHat
- ".. between singling out those conspiratorial acts that do on occasion occur and weaving a vast fabric of social explanation out of nothing but skeins.."BuddhaHat
- ".. of evil plots.”BuddhaHat
- I vermicelli believe that condensing all of these events into one over-arching and controlled conspiracy, if they're even all true, is an unreasonable stretch.BuddhaHat
- To assume that the direction of a super power and its leaders and its media are not governed and swayed behind the scenes is nothing short of moronic********
- Vermicelli now.********
- To assume that the people 'behind the scenes' are grouped into one monolithic entity ignores the complexity of govt, and reeks of conspiracy mania.BuddhaHat
- 'there's truly no hope for you', 'moronic', 'ignorance isn't the best approach to this subject' - I'll admit I bag the shit out of omg for being a fucking moronBuddhaHat
- At which point did anyone suggest that?********
- but you're consistently condescending to a group of fairly reasonable people here, in defense of what seems to be a fairly messy, conspiratorial article.BuddhaHat
- I think you can make your argument easier if you didn't call people morons for questioning this mind control conspiracy theory.monospaced
- It's moronic to beleive there are no hidden controlling forces of the biggest superpower on the planet. Yes.********
- ^^^ You suggested that set, by bundling all of these events into one discussion, and inferring that the 'deep state' was responsible for it all.BuddhaHat
- I suggested the deeps take was responsible for people's positive opinions on Obama vs their negative opinions on Trump.********
- Which when you look at the actions of both men vs the general opinion against them, clearly shows that public opinion is massively swayed by the media********
- True, Trump almost certainly wouldn't have been elected without disproportionate blanket coverage of his campaign in comparison to his competitorsBuddhaHat
- the media has a great deal to answer for in that sense.BuddhaHat
- ...And clearly there is an agenda there. I don't think any sane person can deny that. It would appear that many people's sanity on the matter has been displace********
- ... However********
- They favoured the sensationalism of watching a clown insult and lie his way to the top of the heap instead of focusing on anything of policy substance.BuddhaHat
- Which, when Trump was prompted on, as you'll see in the John Oliver piece on Obamacare, Trump was perfectly happy to lie his way through entirely as well.BuddhaHat
- Ok. I think there is a calculated and control swaying of politics and people's opinions of politics in the biggest superpower on the planet********
- ... and you think it's all just chance and accident, luck and misfortune. To me that's utterly bonkers. I guess you feel the same about me stance...********
- ... so what's the point. I vermicelli don't know.********
- Please excuse my terrible phone typing.********
- But everyone knows superpowers are influenced outside of government - I don't understand why you would think anyone doesn't know that here. It's basic stuff.fadein11
- ^ This. Especially in the US, where the connections between big business, lobbyists and govt are the most transparent of almost anywhere.BuddhaHat
- Cheney & Halliburton, Obama & Wall St, Trump & whoever will throw money at him, etc etc.BuddhaHat
- If Sarah Palin or Kanye West somehow got elected, don't you think the press would be pretty hard on them too?yuekit
- Not because they are the one person bravely fighting the system, but just because they are idiots who a lot of people see as dangerous.yuekit
- In other words the press and other groups being against Trump doesn't mean he's good or worth supporting.yuekit
- You're also kind of ignoring the left/right divide in politics...the right wing media has been hugely pro Trump. Fox News is the biggest cable news channel inyuekit
- As usual he makes some interesting points but shoots himself in the foot by presuming/saying everyone else is a moron. Sad!fadein11
- the U.S., Drudge and Breitbart are some of the biggest sites, etc. All shilling pretty openly for Trump.yuekit
- Aside form that MSM doesn't have the same influence it once didfadein11
- @fadein I used the word moron in the following post, which you've just wholeheartedly agreed with so how exactly have I shot myself in the foot?********
- "To assume that the direction of a super power and its leaders and its media are not governed and swayed behind the scenes is nothing short of moronic"********
- Pray tell********
- It's like you desperately want to disagree with me, but can't find anything to disagree with apart from my use of the word moron.********
- ... But you've already agreed its moronic to hold the view I labelled moronic. So I guess you're going to have to sucks up your pride and just agree with me ;)********
- Sucks it rights up.********
- Like I said I find a lot of what you say interesting and I used to hold similar views (I do in some instances). Don't get worked up - others noted how youfadein11
- condescend and label people here. Trust me I do not want to disagree with you for the sake of it and if you reread all of my comments you will realise that.fadein11
- still do*
Don't be so quick to judge people here. The debate is about now - not Obama. And if you are not frightened by elements of Trump's admin you may befadein11 - the one who needs to question your view.fadein11
- be questioning your views*
oops.fadein11 - I never said for a second that elements of Trump's administration aren't frightening.********
- You all incorrectly assume I support Trump because I don't blindly join the illogical hate brigade.********
- Problem with endlessly saying "but Obama" is that it detracts from the task at hand.
No probs though and hope you do know I don't disagree with you for thefadein11 - sake of it. We had our beef and it's long gone for me. Like I say I find what you post interesting - just the tone could be better.fadein11
- I'm talking about actions vs public opinion based on media influence. Which requires talking about Obama, dear chap.... it's the topic.********
- Yep - I shouldn't have said that - my apologies.fadein11
- No need :)********
- oh yes, poor Trump, Obama had it do easy.inteliboy
- *sointeliboy
- If that's your simple minded, foolish take from this post then I genuinely feel sorry you.********
- Yet the mass hysteria against Trump is monumental. If you can't see how obvious the mind control program here is, then bad news for you - you're a victim of it.