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  • Bennn0

    My gf, who has very low computer skillz and internet skillz, didn't that those 3 lines (hamberger menu) were a menu on a couple website/appshe was on.

    For me its obvious. But it made me think that, yeah, when you dont know the codes, it's very unclear that's the menu.

    I think UI/UX designer often tend to forget about large public when it comes to large public websites/apps. It's easy to think "everyone knows that".

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    • *didn't know thatBennn
    • What's the alternative? I think most users who use mobile know what it is.section_014
    • qbn has one!scarabin
    • Some write the word menu next to to highlight its interactionwhatthefunk
    • sometimes we write menu bellow the lines with some tiny font :)
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    • This is something I mulled over a couple of years ago when building a couple of sites, before giving in and using them. ...detritus
    • ... somewhat ironically, it was actually used in the Xerox Parc GUI back in 1980, so *should've* been one of the most recognisable icons by now, but nup.detritus
    • Trump thinks it's a symbol for ISIS.utopian
    • I don't buy it. It's 2017 and if you own a smartphone, you know what that means. Walmart.com uses it, if that's an indicator.aslip
    • once we reached the year 1045 there will still be people that don't know what this is, you guys are all used to an environment where this is knownMiguex
    • there are still (and will always be) people out there walking around with a flip phone, or perhaps no cell phone.Miguex
    • and there is nothing wrong with that.
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    • sometimes we'll actually put the word menu under it.dbloc
    • Not everyone is using apps and websites as much as us. When designing for large public, the hamburger isnt clear for everyone.Bennn
    • You need to know your user. Some sites like this one that menu is fine, others like say the DMV. its not fine. Theres no right or wrong. But, its your...sofakingback
    • Job to know your users and know when to use the right tools of communication.sofakingback
    • If no one uses it, it will never become known.yuekit
    • These tend to test poorly.IRNlun6
    • I've been asked to use the word 'menu' in place of the burger more than once... I agree w/bennnnnnnn that it's still not recognizable to the norm public yetPonyBoy
    • That icon is one of the biggest failures out there, I've never seen a user test where it did good. The word MENU scores something like 97% better... it's dumb.zarkonite
    • The funny thing is, there's a standard for it that is stupid easy to adhere to when you need to use this. three equally sized lines. SIMPLE.mg33
    • Yet look around and you are certain to find ones with four lines, ones with two lines... Silly designers wanting to "design" and be unique.mg33
    • I seriously can't understand how more than 10 seconds is put into using that icon, when someone decides they need it.mg33
    • it's an advertisement for adidas nothing more lol :)
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    • It's the icon for Trump's Walldbloc
    • interesting read about the history
      http://gizmodo.com/w…      dbloc
    • it has achieved conventional status. it staysbrandelec
    • If the navigation is hidden, users tend not to use it, so it's not very effectivedmay
    • And it's not norm, many users can't identify it has a menudmay
    • it's part of the mobile first ethos as most sites using it have a far larger mobile audiencewhatthefunk
    • Really? Those saying the icon is not intuitive or recognizable or known , etc. are showing their age.

      QBN members ave age > 45 years old. LOL!      chukkaphob
    • you guys use your phones for webbing?Gnash
    • Hijomate's dad's interpretation? But don't people usually try to tap any and everything to figure it out by discoverySquiddy
    • FFS...just about every fucking mobile website uses a hamburger menu, can we move on?utopian
    • Just wanted to add my
      three line comment to this
      three line icon, too.      SimonFFM
    • Menu
      Menu
      Menu      monNom
    • Does Jakob Nielsen approve of the hamburger?Continuity
    • It can depend on your audience and how well designed and positioned everything is.monoboy
    • I use the word MENU. Takes up a bit more space but tests better than a hamburger. I recommend watching a user test. You'd be surprised.monoboy
    • However. Some users will persevere with a difficult UI if they dig the design and content. So it's not all about conventional wisdom. Again, think audience.monoboy
    • My website looks different on mobile than on desktop.SimonFFM
    • It's clearer: https://www.google.c…fruitsalad
    • I didn't know it was called the hamburger menu.Raniator
    • Design isn't just catering public ignorance. It's also educating the public and getting them used to new paradigms.cannonball1978
    • no, interface design is supposed to be made in function of the target audience. otherwise you miss the target.Bennn
    • @chuka I'm not showing my age, I'm showing my ability to use research and data to make decisions. That icon is a failure, the word MENU is better.zarkonite
    • @zarkonite It's 2017. This icon is recognized and used e.v.e.r.y.w.h.e.r.e.

      This is not even worth discussing. LOL!      chukkaphob
    • It's like arguing that street lights should read STOP and GO instead of using RED and GREEN ;-)chukkaphob
    • chukka: just because it's used by devs and lazy designers doesn't mean it works. I've yet to come across hard evidence that it works. You should use research tozarkonite
    • and testing to help you in your work. Design is about problem solving, not just following the pack blindly.zarkonite
    • Your example is good but it doesn't apply. You have to be trained to use a car, there's an education process that takes place that was never done for the icon..zarkonite
    • ah, okchukkaphob
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