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It's a damn shame how Apple has completely closed off all of it's computers and passes inflated upgrade costs onto the user, which end at the day of purchase. I remember a time when Macs were popular simply because people could keep them going, with upgrades, for many years. Sure, OS 8 and 9 crashed a lot, but we saved after ever move and kept using Macs because they actually were good for creatives back then. Apple knew this, and their friends Adobe did too.
Remember this machine? It was all about upgrades. It was so easy to open up, there was a special lever just for it, just begging to be used. People kept these going for years.
I don't understand why there isn't a regular Mac anymore. If there's a Mac Pro, what is it a Pro version of? If there's a Mac mini, what's it a mini version of? A Mac of course, which, really doesn't exist. The iMacs are all-in-ones, so they don't really count, in my opinion.
Apple, let's get back to making badass machines where computer users can actually get into them to make them do what they want, that allow them to think different. How about that Mac? It should be like the mini, but larger, and open. Let us toss in a graphics card, I don't give a fuck if it's from a short list of supportable hardware, we all know it's not impossible to get decent drivers going for OSX.
- Plus, if they do come out with a 5K display, there really should be a machine out there to support it. This would be it.monospaced
- I had / have a Quicksilver G4 with extra ram and an upgraded GFX card. Thing is a fucking star - still works to this day.face_melter
- I remember back than when adobe would publicly state there apps run better on windows. apple pr said they were good fro creatives, but that was it.deathboy
- @deathboy, I think there was at some point some benefit to having macs, perhaps something to do with fonts or other shit that was good for desktop publishingmonospaced
- But this was when we needed high end audio cards, graphic cards, CD/DVD players and whatnot. Now, everything just plugs inIanbolton
- The only thing that needs updating in my current Mac is my CPU. How could they build a tiny laptop without integrating CPU and GPU into one chip?Ianbolton
- Eventually everything will be in your Apple Watch, wirelessly running Adobe shit onto a monitor saving your work into a cloud for 10k a month subscription!Ianbolton
- Thing is, everything doesn't just plug in now for Macs. It's the opposite. I can't toss a GTX 960 into a Mac mini to give it new life. Can't even fix bad RAMmonospaced
- Ian, I'm not talking about a tiny laptop. I'm talking about a Mac that you connect a display to.monospaced
- How do I update my bad RAM in my Apple Watch?!Ianbolton
- And how often do people think about how much RAM they have on their iPhones?Ianbolton
- The very idea of a gpu and cpu soldered to a motherboard is completely against the idea of ever upgrading. One part goes out, kiss the machine goodbye.monospaced
- And I know Mono, just being an argumentative shit - for balance ;-)Ianbolton
- Ian, nobody is doing professional creative work on their Watches and iPhones. I'm talking about a Mac desktop and OS X.monospaced
- But you could argue that CPU power development is slowing down. But I read that the iPhone 7 CPU is faster than my Macbook air.Ianbolton
- Everything is faster than a Macbook air. Thats the issue.monospaced
- But eventually, Adobe and Apple hoping, people WILL be using their watches and iPhones connected to monitors to do all their workIanbolton
- Fine. For now, why not just make a mini a few inches taller with a lid that opens and some fucking slotted cards? It can still have Apple design finesse.monospaced
- I guess this is why I liked the idea of that Block Phone thing allowing customisation. But Apple like to hide behind the idea 'everything just works'....Ianbolton
- ... until it doesn't. Then it's just replaced for a newer version.Ianbolton
- But, if there was just a way to fix it...monospaced
- pc never had trouble with fonts. load as many as possible with no problems. it was just successful brand marketingdeathboy
- There was some format issue back in the day. Something with postscript support or some shit.monospaced
- Are we reminiscing about the olden days? The good old days? When printers just fucked up and the internet was slow as shitIanbolton
- No. Just a time when one could upgrade a machine themselves. Jeezmonospaced
- @deathboy font rendering and anti-aliasing was lacking severely in Windows 95/98/SE/2000. I always preferred using windows back then because I could customzarkonite
- custom build my box but that part was the real deal breaker. Which has been more than fixed since then...zarkonite
- It was fixed years ago, but I remember also when no PC people could use our files because their systems couldn't load about 75% of fonts.monospaced
- I suppose miniaturisation fucks up some elements of updating hardwear, but yeah, RAM, hard drive, graphics and CPU should be upgradable.Ianbolton
- with a microscope and tweezers!Ianbolton
- That's what she said.zarkonite
- Using Mac's for print work was 100% about the fonts. Print shops all used macs, so designers had to as well. That was the main reason by a mile.section_014
- Printers i know said PCs did it just fine. Apple was advertising. Of course you'd probably need to outline TTF fonts.deathboy
- actually sounds like the TTF is just an urban legend. TTF fonts seemed to be processed by rips just finedeathboy
- display aliasing is true. cant say it ever bothered me. been improved with xp and beyond. not a strong claim for creativesdeathboy
- seriously just successful marketing. windows went business niche left apple with "creative" nichedeathboy
- "People kept these going for years"... that is the (business) problem. Apple operates in predictable, controlled profit cycles.prophetone
- There was a time when they did not - the Power Computing days and into the G3/G4 days... they have moved away from it.prophetone
- Now... you must decide right out of gate w/ purchase what specs you will need... so you end up paying more and more likely to upgrade sooner. BAM wut.prophetone
- @deathboy, it wasn't an urban legend, it's just a matter of formats and compatibility at a time when DPS was growing... windows just didn't support all the toysmonospaced
- This in no way is me saying Macs were or are better, just a bit of history as to why creatives use them to this day, and why we might want more expandabilitymonospaced
- naw just marketing mono. heavy ad spends and repetition. look up history of postscripts and truetype and remember fonts came in both formats.deathboy
- Why i was on a mac for awhile. CEO read people only design on macs. Funny how many people in advertising fall for advertisingdeathboy
- it wasn't just marketing though, font makers actually drew in the mac format, and it took many years to even bother porting them to one that worked on PCsmonospaced
- that might have been the result of marketing, but honestly, that's beside the point, the end result is that the font issue was very realmonospaced
- forums.adobe.com/thr...deathboy
- http://forums.adobe.…deathboy
- Totally. But I'm not talking about the 2000s here, I'm talking about the '80s and '90s, where it was an actual technical issue.monospaced
- but this is all beside the point to my post, which is that there should be a Mac in the lineup between the mini and the Pro, like there used to be :)monospaced
- I agree and I would buy it right away. I buy iMacs because there is no alternative apart from the Mac pro. I totally agree. Would be great to have a mac youfadein11
- could tinker with yourself rather than buy to order. I just don't think they see a market for it anymore - iMacs will handle 90% of day to day agency work. Andfadein11
- they just love control don't they. OCD of their product range. They should do it though - call it the uMac. A mac that the user can customise as desired andfadein11
- opens up just like the one there. I guess it just puts them too close to the PC world.fadein11
- Personally I think it would appeal to a larger niche than the Mac Pro, as well as agencies, who are always looking for ways to save.monospaced
- I love my iMac but it's almost 5 years old and it doesn't have an ssd and could probably use an internal cleaning and a gpu upgrade. Can't ever happen.monospaced
- Apple figured out that it was better to have users buy a new machine.since1979
- i just had to go back to my old g4 and ios 9 to run a couple of old apps (infini-d and fontographer) it still runs sweet as a nut - almost faster than my aginghans_glib
- ...macpro. these old machines still do the business.hans_glib
- absolutely. that sounds awesome, hanssince1979