UK in/out Europe?
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- kingkong0
The main question is what is 'the EU' and where is it going? (great info graphic in the feed btw)
definitions.
1. A geographical area that has created a trading block to make trade easier and to protect the economies within the trading block.
2. A geographical area that is the above with the economic instruments to manage the supply and demand of labour and markets - free movement of people etc.
3. A political union with shared government apparatus as well as the above.
4. The above with a shared judicial layer, to harmonise laws and values across said 'block'
5. A united states of Europe. Central Government, regional authority.
When we last voted (1975) we voted for No1 - We are now between 4 or 5.
As a committed European, I just can't stand this faceless army of eurocrats that are pretty unaccountable.
There was a great quote on Question Time last week in the UK. "The sovereignty of this nation is not the politicians of this country to give away - but to protect".
To many politicians act like it's their to give away.
I honestly think, you are either in big for it or your not.
Like 70% in - in a referendum it should be 65/70% to change the constitution of a country.
When the Scottish referendum happened a lot of people said it was crazy to allow 51% to win.
Insanity. It should be a collective will. a Movement of the majority people.
This is all going down party lines. the result will be 50 something vs 50 something.
shouldn't change a direction of a people over a few % points.
Which gets me to another point.
The other issue that ERKS is that the argument for staying in is that The Eu is a 'good' force. A Socialist, egalitarian, progressive movement against the forces of capitalism and self-interest.
Bollox.
People think that this is about some home county tories vs. the urban left.
It isn't
the people that have lost the most from the EU are the working classes of Europe.
Never before in modern history have we had unemployment like we have now.
Never before has a policy (freedom of movement) done so much to compress wage inflation.
It's the very fucking capitalists many here despise that have benefited the most out of this current arrangement.
There are no human rights that the EU have that are better than the Magna Carta.
The EU has not invented Google, etc or innovated in any area of industry whatsoever.
It is a stifling, muddling bunch of unequal countries trying to make it work.
It's fucked.
Anyone, anyone who thinks the EU is a good thing - go talk to a Greek - The way they dealt with a sovereign nation was so disgraceful - in many ways worse that Putin.
IT, the EU, hates free enterprise, and capitalism - but equally it hates the left, the socialist.
It's a technocratic lobby group that creates nothing, improves nothing and hasn't turned the world most economically productive area into something bigger than the sum of its parts.
GET THE FUCK OUT.
rant out.
- maybe the ballot paper will have the question 'what is the EU and where is it going?' - with a spare page for your notes.Fax_Benson
- * it won't.
it's in or outFax_Benson - DO THE HOKEY-COKEY!detritus
- Yeh thanks for that ;) - out for mekingkong
- no worries - glad to help. I'm off to straighten out the US election thread.Fax_Benson
- what shared judicial layer lol.
our government laughs how the eu is trying to execute regulations against corruption, one-sided media, and
eastern influence.sted - Greece lied to the EU about budget deficits on various occasions leading up to their crashlowimpakt
- Hope u support nigel farageHayoth