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    "Religion is a totalitarian belief. It is the wish to be a slave. It is the desire that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime while you are asleep, who can subject you to total surveillance around the clock every waking and sleeping minute of your life, before you're born and, even worse and where the real fun begins, after you're dead. A celestial North Korea. Who wants this to be true? Who but a slave desires such a ghastly fate?
    I've been to North Korea. It has a dead man as its president, Kim Jong-Il is only head of the party and head of the army. He's not head of the state. That office belongs to his deceased father, Kim Il-Sung. It's a necrocracy, a thanatocracy. It's one short of a trinity I might add. The son is the reincarnation of the father. It is the most revolting and utter and absolute and heartless tyranny the human species has ever evolved. But at least you can fucking die and leave North Korea!"
    -- Christopher Hitchens

    Fascism is the worship of the hierarchy (main fascist magazine was called exactly that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge… ).

    Monotheism is the establishment of absolute hierarchy in the platonic world of ideas; it claims monopoly on the absolute right and absolute good. Therefore, monotheism is the archetype of fascism and forefather of all hierarchies, starting with the hierarchy of the pack:
    http://www.qbn.com/topics/385322…

    All monotheists should be treated accordingly -- like fascists. As long as they are in minority we can think of them as funny, of course, but once they are in power everything is fucked.

    Generally speaking the idea that there is one truth for all is a variety of fascism, and people
    being infected with the idea are no better than hitleroids.

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    • so is a centralized monetary systemyurimon
    • 'Generally speaking the idea that there is one truth for all is a variety of fascism...' like materialist Science?Morning_star
    • Depends acting on truth lead to an outcome that is better then acting on what is false in the long run?yurimon
    • What is truth?Morning_star
    • truth is what actually exists whether you believe it or not. more aligned with natural law.yurimon
    • This is quite silly. A hierarchy of one is hardly a hierarchy. By that logic Hinduism with it's complex hierarchy would be even more facist.
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    • This thesis needs to be thought over a bit more, has no merit as is and is simply provocative nonsence. Everyone loved invoking Hitler's image, its a good
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    • Indicator that someone's point is propped up on emotional appeals instead of logic
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    • There is no truth Yurimon, just subjective experience. Who's truth is right? my truth, your truth. We know about 5% of the universe, most of which we don't...Morning_star
    • ...understand and you claim there is an absolute truth. Where is it? An example?Morning_star
    • truth is independent of belief or experience. just because you dont know it doesnt mean it doesnt exists.yurimon
    • its pretty simple. something is or it isn't. experience is irrelevant. it could be applied to any subject. As an experiential being we need to know it.yurimon
    • I understand what you are saying with experience. if i said, its true that im touching myself. there is frame of thought that would even though you areyurimon
    • ^ *say) experiencing the hand on your body but atoms or molecules dont touch on a quantum level.yurimon
    • Then it gets nit picky into games of semantics etc, its like punching someone in the face and telling the judge. well molecules really dont touch so i dont seeyurimon
    • how this persons subjective experience is true even though he is bleeding. he only sees 5% of the universe your honor.yurimon
    • was this person punched in the face or not?yurimon
    • Was the person actually punched? Was he acting? Did he fall onto the fist in a crazy accident? Was it an elaborate hoax to get someone into trouble? ....Morning_star
    • If i'm the judge then all i have is other peoples interpretation of the events, which are subjective and open to manipulation and distortion due to the...Morning_star
    • ...inadequacies of the human brain. Again, show me something that is 'true'. Also what does 'truth' mean to a horse or mouse?Morning_star
    • they are on a different consciousness level. Yes we have limited spectrum of sight, sound senses but it doesn't mean truth doesn't exist. ask yourself ayurimon
    • question. If you jump off a tall building. does gravity exist? what is the truth in this case? are you going not care cause its illusion?yurimon
    • You function a certain way in your experience. that is truth to your experience. however if the truth is also its in illusion do you want to jump to find out?yurimon
    • so the gravity aspect is truth because unless you have something to deter gravity universally people will fall.yurimon
    • "they are on a different consiousness level"...therefore truth as a concept is a purely human construction and subsequently not universal.Morning_star
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