Scottish independence
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- rosko_picachu0
That's a good question. It comes down to how Scotland votes at the next election, the one after that and the one after that. Anyone living here has a good idea of how that's likely to pan out. You'll probably find the highest number of votes for the Green Party than anywhere else in the UK. SNP is just gonna grow and grow, with a new leader pushing for the new powers that were promised. Should those not be pushed through, it might create a huge feeling between the No voters that they made a huge mistake, thus fueling a push for another referendum, which is inevitable, just a matter of time. Not likely to happen soon, but within the next 10-30 years their probably is going to be another one.
Pre-referndum: the oil is running out by 2040,
Post-referndum: it is now lasting until 2100.Pre-referendum: No fracking
Post-Referendum: Fracking laws introduced, a land grab. A blatant infringement on home owners land rights.Everyone working in the public sector fearing for their jobs because they were sent letters from the government, eventually losing their jobs in line with the next line of austerity cuts anyway.
It went as far as a 9 year old kid on my street saying, if he was old enough to vote he'd vote no, because otherwise he'd have to pay to go to school, i.e. the entire school system would be privatized in an independent Scotland.
I explained to him that was nonsense and straight away he'd vote Yes. That's how finely balanced it was.
So it gives you an idea of two things, one the fear and just how inaccurate it was, but how effective it was in confusing people. There's a kid at 9 years old, been lied to by the government, via his mum.
Other things like the panic that ensued when the polls turned. Vows were made, Gordon Brown comes up the road like a tornado potentially with a hidden agenda. Something to hide. Wouldn't be hard to find dirt on Gordon Brown.
A mass campaign to encourage people to be undecided and to quote that campaign, "If you don't know, vote no." Essentially undermining the electorates right to vote. Why wouldn't they want them to vote? Dark Propaganda and Playback went a long way to ensuring people were undecided by playing on their worst fears, when the worst fears were the fears of those in England.
What happened was, we had the Commonwealth Games. This led to a lot of the English media setting up in Scotland and having that in place for the referendum.
If so much is at stake for England, it becomes win at all costs, send a message out via the media and repeat it. Assess it's effect and send out another one. It's therefore not important what you know, but what you want people to think.
Like SEM's argument that Scotland couldn't survive on it's own, without being subsidized by England. If you take our natural resources out the picture, that would seem true, but it's cold war style counter intelligence, where you pop out a media message and assess it's affect, whether it's 100% accurate or not.
The media machine went like this:
In England: there is hatred shown towards Scotland.In Scotland: Promote the No campaign.
So you get effectively a sort of post production media cycle before the election. Afterwards it pivots 180 degrees and you get the truth, the post production media cycle, where independent journalism actually makes a comeback to bring peace and harmony, but at the same time a complete contradiction because now they are faced with a backlash. They know they've been anti their own people and now can get back to battering westminster with a big stick.
So it just highlights a whole manner of things, thus empowering those who voted Yes to highlight all these things from now on and keep digging the No voters up. THis is what you voted no for, this is what was said, i.e. the propaganda, this is what you got, the truth.
The media machine had to do a job on English public opinion as well as Scottish and Irish opinion. There were also a number of loopholes that effectively meant people who are actually Scottish couldn't vote and people who were English could and that would.
So their were a number of ways to legally rig an election without tampering with the votes.
- lol 9yr old on the street? whut? we have a new shoebox guy.sem