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"So you're problem with scientific proofs is that they are scientific proofs, basically." - hereswhatidid
No, not really. My issue is with the dogmatic approach to the definition of what constitutes scientific proof. The method by which something is proved is cemented in a materialist universe and subsequently, unless these limited boxes are ticked results are dismissed.
You only need look at the rules for successfully claiming James Randi's prize and you'll see an example of the issue i have. He says that if you can't recreate the phenomenon under lab conditions set by him, no prize. Rather than encouraging the expansion of scientific knowledge and exploration, and discovering new ways to gather and record meaningful results the rules are rigid and unchanging. Rather like the church in the times of Galileo.- because no evidence, whatsoever, has EVER been found for something existing outside the material worldmonospaced
- you go on and on how science is limited to material reality as if you believe that there is something supernaturalmonospaced
- and that science can't explain these immaterial phenomena, which nobody can show existmonospaced
- The placebo effect.Morning_star
- placebo effect just show's the brain's larger role in the body's health and physiologymonospaced
- it is not, and never should be, attributed to supernatural happenings... sounds stupid to even implymonospaced
- 'The brains larger role in health and physiology' That's very vague and meaningless could you elaborate.Morning_star
- It's not vague!!! The brain is where natural pain-killers, hormones, and most body chemicals are made and distributedmonospaced
- made and distributed. It is a HUGE part of our health. It regulates just about everything, and even mood affects it.monospaced
- laughing/sex/happy releases happy chemicals, and these can affect the physiologymonospaced
- are you really this uninformed are or you just playing stupid to fuck with me? because you sound really naivemonospaced
- The placebo is (usually) a pill with NO medical physical benefits to the body, it's a trick. Yet, it has a measurable physical results. Are you suggesting that belief can have a measurable physical effect?Morning_star
- physical results. Are you suggesting that belief can have a measurable physical effect?Morning_star
- You gotta be trolling, morning. No one is this dense.hereswhatidid
- Please point out where i'm going wrong. Seriously.Morning_star
- Assuming that the placebo effect is evidence of the supernatural would be a start.hereswhatidid
- I'm not assuming anything, neither should you. What I would like is a brief explanation as to why in the absence of an active drug people show observable physical change to a condition, whether it's a blind test or not.Morning_star
- active drug people show observable physical change to a condition, whether it's a blind test or not.Morning_star
- FIRST of all, the placebo effect isn't a guarantee. It is a way of showing how mental states can affect physiology.monospaced
- If I lock you in a room and say you will be murdered in 10 minutes, your body will have a reaction, you agree?hereswhatidid
- You will experience physical side effects that have no direct external source. This is not magic.hereswhatidid
- Adrenaline is a perfect example. External stimuli causes brain to dump this into your bloodstreammonospaced
- And things as simple as good sleep and low stress can reduce heart problemsmonospaced
- Laughter causes the brain to release dopamines, and happiness is a result, as well as other healingmonospaced
- FINALLY, if you think the placebo effect is supernatural, what does that say about different belief systems?monospaced
- holy shit, the more I think about it the more retarded it is that bible-thumpers use placebo affect to discount sciencemonospaced
- Well done. Arrogance, assumptions and an inability to articulate your position.Morning_star
- I articulated my position perfectly, with not a hint of assumptionmonospaced
- the arrogance is because I'm rightmonospaced
- You assumed I am a bible thumper, you haven't defend your position on placebo from a materialist perspective and your dismissal of anything that challenges a wholly material universe is faith based. So cut the Playground bitchin and debate like an adult.Morning_star
- and your dismissal of anything that challenges a wholly material universe is faith based. So cut the Playground bitchin and debate like an adult.Morning_star
- debate like an adult.Morning_star
- ok, what is your point bringing up the placebo... what are you implying exactly?monospaced
- what, that since YOU can't comprehend how it works that it's beyond science? please...monospaced
- and since this is the religious thread... are you fucking implying it's fucking JESUS in the sugar pills?monospaced
- you'[ve got to be out of your fucking mind to use the placebo effect as some kind of way to reason for god existingmonospaced
- fucking bonkersmonospaced
- Again, you are assuming that A) I'm Christian and I believe in god and B) the Placebo Effect is perfectly understood and explainable - unless you know different?Morning_star
- understood and explainable - unless you know different of course. If it's difficult for you to accept this then maybe you should take your closed mind and argue elsewhere cause this is boring me now.Morning_star
- maybe we should stop this particular thread.Morning_star
- or maybe you should just stop posting in it and leave it up to folks with a grain of sensescarabin
- If someone, anyone, could point out where my lack of sense fails the please, I'd welcome the education, truly. BUT all I seem to get is a sidestepping of the point and an arrogance worthy of the an organised religion. Show me the facts unless, as I suspect your 'wisdom' is surface level assumption.Morning_star
- seem to get is a sidestepping of the point and an arrogance worthy of the an organised religion. Show me the facts unless, as I suspect your 'wisdom' is surface level assumption.Morning_star
- unless, as I suspect your 'wisdom' is surface level assumption.Morning_star