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It's funny to me that conservatives are so opposed to this health care plan. Most of you probably don't understand the plan you just think you know it would be bad based on what you heard on Fox/ Drudge/ Limbaugh. Socialist takeover of the industry blablabla.
Then you look at who Republicans would nominate to replace Obama in 2012. Seems like Romney is the leading contender.
Here's a more recent poll. Huckabee does a little bit better but according to this 65% of Republicans would happily vote for Romney.
Rush Limbaugh is a fan:
http://www.boston.com/news/natio…
"Rush Limbaugh, the cigar-chomping conservative stalwart, has been on a tear over the last few weeks, talking up Romney and taking whacks at John McCain and Mike Huckabee."
What was Mitt Romney's main accomplishment while Governor of MA - and probably over his whole political career? Enacting a universal health care plan that is virtually the same as what Obama is proposing, and served as a model for what Obama is proposing.
http://www.npr.org/templates/sto…
NPR story from 2006:
"This week, Massachusetts enacted legislation to provide health insurance for virtually every citizen within the next three years. Gov. Mitt Romney says he'll sign it into law. The measure would be the first in the nation to require people to buy health insurance if they don't get it at work.
Under the plan, all but the smallest companies will face financial penalties if they don't cover their workers. The bipartisan plan is already being talked about as a national model.
Gov. Romney, a Republican and a former businessman, bases his support on economics. When Romney became governor three years ago, a business colleague urged him to do something about the 500,000 or more Massachusetts residents without health insurance. Nearly nine out of ten are in working families.
After studying the problem, Romney says, he came away with a key insight: "People who don't have insurance nonetheless receive health care. And it's expensive."
"We're spending a billion dollars giving health care to people who don't have insurance," Romney says. "And my question was: Could we take that billion dollars and help the poor purchase insurance? Let them pay what they can afford. We'll subsidize what they can't."
I mean cmon, this is hilarious irony. You've got Romney, leading Republican contender and about the most solid free market business credentials you can come up with (ran several investment funds, helped start up Staples and a bunch of other companies) basically making the argument for Obama's plan:
"In promoting the plan, Romney brushes off those in his party who attacked the plan as just another big-government scheme. He emphasized that those who can afford insurance should get it.
"Otherwise you're just passing your expenses on to someone else," Romney said. "That's not Republican, that's not Democratic, that's not Libertarian. That's just wrong."
But this is just Romney right? On a state level?
"Ed Haislmaier, of the The Heritage Foundation, a conservative Washington think tank, which helped frame the legislation -- agrees with Romney.
"I don't care what the name of the state is," Haislmaier says. "It just tells anybody in the street there must be something there if you can get that to happen."
After all, Haislmaier says, welfare reform didn't happen on the federal level until Wisconsin did it first."
So what is this, are Republicans voters/ commentators that badly misinformed, or do they know all this and are they just bullshitting you? How can we ever get anything done if people are so transparently insincere?
- Charts and stats make no sense to value voters. Keep it simple. SOCIALISM!DrBombay
- DEATH PANELS!DrBombay
- Reality is harsh and ugly. "There's great power in tapping into the fantasies of the masses."IRNlun6
- Looking at that chart, if Newt Gingrich becomes the next President, I am leaving the Planet.DrBombay