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moth, the breakdown in your ridiculous comparison is that God has nothing in common with any of those comic book characters. You can't place comic books and children's stories on the same plane with Scripture, because one can easily be proven to have been produced by man, the other cannot. Sure people offer reasons and excuses for why Scripture could not be God-ordained, but those reasons are philosophical and certainly not conclusive.
If God claims to be the original creator, and neither you nor anyone else can disprove that fact, then why must it be so insane to believe in him? Why is it impossible for Scripture to be God-inspired rather than man-inspired? Is it the fact that we cannot now physically see him? Is that your hangup? There are a hell of a lot of things we all believe in but cannot see—ideas and abstract concepts, like the fact that murder is wrong. Why exactly is it wrong? Who wrote that moral code on your mind? Did you write it? Your parents? The tooth fairy? Where does your conscience come from? Why don't other animals seem to possess consciences? Does it have something to do with our higher evolved state? Where is the scientific proof for this conscience gene?
If I stood in front of you claiming to have two heads when I clearly have one, then yes it would be ludicrous for you to entertain the idea. However, such is not the case with belief in God. You cannot prove his non-existence. Nevermind the typical response that the onus of proof is on me. The point here is that you can scientifically prove that I do not have two heads. You cannot scientifically prove the non-existence of the metaphysical. Because science is a man-made system of gathering knowledge, it is inherently limited to this physical plane. It is also inherently flawed and finite because it was conceived by flawed creatures. The notion of divinity is only insane when you assume that science is the best there is. You cannot claim to understand something you lack. PERIOD.
Do you really, truly believe that a person like myself is insane, or even deluded? Do I not seem rational, clear-headed and self-controlled to you? Granted, I am far from perfect and could well read you my laundry list of shortcomings; but a madman I am certainly not.
- what makes you think other animals have no conscience? my dog seems to have more than most people i work withgentleman
- animals do right or wrong only insofar as it is beneficial to their safety and comfort.gramme
- Us silly humans actually do selfless things from time to time. We also have the capacity for abstract reasoning.gramme
- so your deepest defense of god is but you can't disprove it! no but we can whittle down the probability of it.spifflink
- and that is a weak blanket statement about animals. there is gradients of reasoning and conscience within animalsspifflink
- there are*spifflink