Graphic Design is dying
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- _niko-1
You can also spend $5 on a hooker, won't be the same as the $3000 one
- problem is young designer that have talent will work 10-20 hours on a 5$ logo because they're just starting. devaluating the profession.Bennn
- We all did it. We disrupted other people. We're just old enough now to feel the effect on the other side.ETM
- We all did it. We spent $5 on a hooker, realizing we need a $3000 one.jagara
- ^ Did I stutter?ETM
- Morning_star0
The value of Graphic design, at whatever quality, is driven by its market, NOT the hopes of graphic designers.
Much like restaurant food, the customer (client) who is satisfied by a £5.00 burger meal is unlikely to value the nuances and craft of an a-la-cart menu from a Michelin starred chef. And, neither restaurant or any of those in between are likely to fail because of the others product.
A $5 logo has a place in the market. But, It's likely to be exploiting cheap labour from developing countries or, more likely, end up costing a lot more, hence 'from $5'.
We will never be able to sell a £50k identity project to a person that cannot see the value in it. So, if you are threatened by someone selling a logo for $5 then I don't think you truly understand the service you are providing or the markets you operate in.
- doesnotexist0
graphic design is dead if you want it to be
- < Bad plagiarism not working here, you need more graphic design.Maaku
- can you provide me some feedback and i'll try again?doesnotexist
- Just messing with you
https://c4.staticfli…Maaku - (i know, but still...)doesnotexist
- kona1
Calling what we do "Graphic Design" is probably one of the reasons design is dying.
Stop calling it that. Start calling it "Design Strategy" and people will literally throw their money at you. Last week during a Design Strategy pitch a client gave me a black eye by throwing a currency strap of 10k right at my face. When I woke up I had 3 pairs of panties on my face as well. Win Win.
- p.s. The only thing that will be dying is you if you don't upvotekona
- Kona is right. And the word "strategy" is scaring all the people who only know how to make z pictures.mg33
- i like the idea of calling it Design strategy, looks more serious in a wayBen99
- it's true, I even invoice our calls and time as "strategy" these daysmonospaced
- That's advertising!robthelad
- or Public Relations...robthelad
- whateverrobthelad
- That's one of the cleverest things i heard someone say in a month.jagara
- doesnotexist0
what is art?
- tart waish?SigDesign
- design without client2002
- like MichelAngelo in the sistine chapelMiesfan
- but what is graphic design and why does it matter?doesnotexist
- pablo282
- 'Hi! I'm Bob and i've paid 5$ for the logo of my coffeeshop. and i'm proud'Bennn
- You'll need to design 500 logos every 2 weeks to have a normal graphic designer pay check.Bennn
- thats 50 logos every dayBennn
- or 36 if you work 7day/7Bennn
- If you make 50 logo /day. You'll need to make 7 logos per hours on a normal 8h/day or work.Bennn
- that mean 7min per logo.Bennn
- the arrival of fiverr/99designs coincided with the end of my freelancing days.Al_dizzle
- I want to hear the pitch that companies give that can charge $50k for a logoformed
- wellll, the 50k stuff is usually not just for the logo... more like a 300k do-over of someone elses bs corp-manual?ArchitectofFate
- a side note: i was thinking the "model" looks like some child star. the kid from neverending story?garbage
- and the answer is nope. holy crapcakes, he looks ridiculous. http://36.media.tumb…garbage
- totally looks like the never ending story kidAl_dizzle
- The folk doing arch-viz are fuckers. 1 pic, 8 days = $100. $100? Have some fucking self respect, you clowns.face_melter
- I hear this all the time. 'Oh, there's some guy in Poland that can do it for $X'. Fucking use him then, and be happy with your shit Sketchup fuckface render.face_melter
- ^ what he saidMrT
- utopian0
- Does this fanny still take year-long holidays to 'gain perspective' or some such horseshit?face_melter
- Oh god, a Sagmeister sandwich. That's some bad, bad Kopfkino.Continuity
- SigDesign1
I've noticed innovation in design change a great deal with web and mobile.
5 or 6 years ago, designers would be much more adventurous in how they structured and designed a user interface.
However, now that the public is becoming a bit more attuned to the language of digital media and devices, it only makes sense that design is starting to become a bit more standardized.
After all... how many ways should you design a web button? Statistics are also a factor in the patterning of design trends. It'd be difficult for users if navigation was inconsistent, etc. Many people who approach me for web design work are better served by just making a Squarespace site. Even still... they always want something that Squarespace doesn't do by default.
A good designer is still a useful asset who knows about space, form & function, typography, and intent. When I hear 'graphic design,' I just think of posters and book covers...screen printing & t-shirt design. There is a physical element to that, which may not be as desirable as it once was... records vs. streaming music services (although records have a solid base) for example.
It's true that everyone thinks they're a designer, but it's still surprisingly difficult to find consistently good designers when you delve into the hiring process. Some of it is taste... some is attitude... not moving with the times... arrogance and unwillingness to change.
We should always be open to change.
- fate5
"We are not graphic designers. We are problem solvers who happen to do use graphics as a means for providing the solutions and ninjas."
"Thats why their is an industry push for strategic design, design thinking and business strategy."
No offense, but most designers don't know the first thing about solving business problems.
Most of them don't even understand marketing, let alone bringing together finance, operations, engineering, sales, partnerships, or attracting talent and managing teams.
- yes, you have outlined the issue well ... and you've highlighted the difference between pros and amateurs while simultaneously justifying the cost difference.monospaced
- of course there's no offense, because most people here are good designers who would make their client's business problem the NUMBER ONE consideration in any jobmonospaced
- so, no offense, but I have to completely disagree: most "real" designers DO know about solving problems and understand marketing, finance etc.monospaced
- No, they really don't have a clue.fate
- monoboy-3
Styling has been commoditised, design hasn't.
- ...because it's about business.monoboy
- Design hasn't been commoditized? I can't think of a single thing that haven't been commoditized in this world (and I'm OK with it).weirdname
- Design is about adding cash value to businesses. You can't commoditise that because it requires unique thought.monoboy
- Are you talking about commodification? In either case design can be (and in my opinion already is) commodified and
commoditized.weirdname - I saw a commercial for Wix today, and I think you're right, monoboymonospaced
- Just take a look at Behance. Thousands of perfectly crafted homogenous approaches.monoboy
- Morning_star9
One thing i've noticed is an increase in frustrated designers whining like bitches.
The reality of the situation is that we are whores...end of story. You do what your trick wants or you don't get paid.
We are not artists.
What we do is subjective.
There is no right answer, whatever Dieter Rams says.
99% of what we do is diluted by the CD or AD or Client or the fucking dog."Oh, but, but you wouldn't tell a surgeon how to do your heart surgery" damn fucking right. If it goes wrong I die.
If the client changes the size of the logo nobody dies.If you don't like the industry, change industries and get a job you do like. Get up every day and want to go to work and while you're there work hard.
- +nb
- I believe that every designer has their own 'right answer', so if you're good enough and wanted enough, it may was well be 'the right answer'.detritus
- What isn't art?PepeTheFrog
- totally, my boss reminds me sometimes that "nobody's dying"monospaced
- in advertising its all about being paid off and say whatever the man wants you to say. Junior whore, Senior whore, and Whore Director.omg
- "99% of what we do is diluted by the CD or AD or Client or the fucking dog."
That's a pretty sad outlook I have to say.set - I'm lucky to have *some* clients who generally accept my professional opinion and advice. You're only a whore if you allow yourself to be.set
- It's nice to have a balance and have work you can maintain your creative integrity and passion withset
- and other work you just give whatever nonsense they ask for and take your money. Can't argue with stupid...set
- http://www.qbn.com/r…set
- You wouldnt tell a lawyer how to do his job!!!Hayoth
- Whatever. Everyone whines about their job at some point and by this rationale any profession, not just design, makes you a whore. I bet you're fun in meetings.MrT
- You wouldn't download a car.PepeTheFrog
- Chimp0
One thing I noticed is an increase in clients that want a lot more control over the design process than before.
- That's the sound of your soul dying, not of design dying, though.Continuity
- yes, and this is a result of the easy-to-reach design tools and cheap offerings out there with quick turnarounds, it's so annoyingmonospaced
- Client management / education is another important skill you have to learn.Chimp
- yurimon-11
We are not graphic designers. We are problem solvers who happen to do use graphics as a means for providing the solutions and ninjas.
- welcome back buddyterry_cloth
- ... of the day.monospaced
- I though Yuri banned himself again?utopian
- chukkaphob5
- Stoner Slothtank02
- hehe my thoughts exactlyVectorMasked
- hahah! sums up this thread/topic perfectly.Krassy
- go back to pic of the day Krassy. Drown your brain with funny stuff. ktxbyeBen99
- @Ben99 I might just do that because "Pic of the Day" is a lot more intriguing, inspiring, entertaining and stimulating than this here negativity =)Krassy
- OkBennn
- set10
If you think graphic design is dying then I imagine it's because you're being left in the dust and not keeping up. It's not dying but it's certainly changing and heading in new directions, and if you dont change with it then I understand how one might perceive it as dying.
Regardless, it's a small minded and massively over generalised statement so I guess the only thing left to do is gfy
- <- I'm with the smart guyBluejam
- +1weirdname
- ThisBaskerviIle
- Agreedterry_cloth
- GD 2.0omg
- ✅dbloc