Brendan Eich resigns as Mozilla CEO
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- ernexbcn0
GeorgesIV what shaming? it's public information, not sure if you are aware that he received criticism a few years ago for this very same thing, but he was CTO at that time and people forgot about it.
It doesn't help either that in the public data of the donation shows his name and the employer...
- GeorgesIV0
ernexbcn, does he has the right to think what he wants,
don't want to start a debate here, but I live on a planet with 7 other billion people,
there will be people I disagree with, other I agree with,
- detritus0
I don't even have a problem with them starting up a campaign and advertising who and what has or hasn't supported which or whatnot cause... I just think it's way beyond the pale to dedicate a homepage to a high-traffic site to explicitly getting a third party fired for what is ultimately an opinion, financially-backed or otherwise.
Sorry, it's just a marketing stunt.
- ernexbcn0
That's exactly my point, there were two wrong decisions here:
- Brendan Eich giving one thousand dollars to support denying rights to part of the US population.
- The board of directors of Mozilla not foreseeing the PR mess this already was when he was a CTO and not thinking it will show up again if they named him CEO.I'm not gay but have many friends that are. How would you feel if you were gay and the newly appointed CEO of your company was so against your rights that was willing to put money out of his wallet to prevent you from marrying?
And yes, corporations should care about how the public opinion perceives them, the CEO is the most visible actor so his public affairs are related to the company.
- ernexbcn0
This happened right after the was named CEO:
https://twitter.com/chmcavoy/sta…
https://twitter.com/zbraniecki/s…
https://twitter.com/soletelee/st…
- ernexbcn0
Not sure how you can label this as "marketing" when it was clearly a shitstorm...
- SteveJobs0
generally when forming a company and selecting your staff you exercise prudence. If somehow a member of the company holds a wildly conflicting view from the rest that somehow only reveals itself years down the road the only real reason to fire them is if their views directly affect the business.
this is what happened with Eich. I don't care if he left voluntarily or was fired. He had to go because of a precadent set by society. People have bought in to the notion that his unpopular opinion is wrong and bad and therefore Mozilla is wrong and bad and therefore it is there social duty to remove him or else! Effectively, he was removed for acting on his constitutional rights.
- So it's society's fault that people disagreed with him?hereswhatidid
- society puts the onus on companies to comply with their personal belifs in exchange for business.SteveJobs
- ukit20
Most states have right to work laws which means your employer can fire you for any reason (or no reason). There's nothing that says if I start a project with someone or hire them to be my spokesperson that I have to continue to work with them when they do something that offends me.
So no ones constitutional rights were violated. At best we are talking about social conventions in terms of what views are publicly acceptable for a CEO to have.
- GeorgesIV0
so you're against personal freedom, that's kinda scary man,
I'm a visible minority, I don't even have to open my mouth for people to hate me in some places,so I should not work or get involved with this people to make them see how they're wrong, I should just make them step down because public opinion trumps personal freedom,
do you not see where it leads, you're kinda scaring me mate
- this/theseGeorgesIV
- Did he offer to work with anyone or explain his views?hereswhatidid
- SteveJobs0
^ That's true. Mozilla may have had a legal precadent, but I think we both know they were trying to appease the masses. Again, I'm not faulting them for *their* decision. I'm taking issue with the fact that people are vilifying Eich for his beliefs and that, that itself forced mozilla to take action.
- SteveJobs0
remember 10 or so years ago when that whole PC thing started gaining popularity as a measure of tolerance? I think it hurt more than helped. I think now too many groups in society have this inflated sense of entitlement and it's causing more division. it's like we're breeding a bunch of Jesse Jackson's to preach the one gospel as the end-all be-all truth and those who oppose be damned.
it's a hopeless dream of mine, but to summarize my stance on almost every social issue i'd advocate one thing and one thing alone:
people should grow thicker skin.
- 'PC' was a term invented to legitimize being a dick to groups that didn't have privilege.
I'd suggest you check yours.mikotondria3
- 'PC' was a term invented to legitimize being a dick to groups that didn't have privilege.
- ernexbcn0
GeorgesIV I'd say putting money to try to prevent some human beings from marrying is going against personal freedom.
Besides the sentimental values of marriage, there are other real world stuff that can only be attained through legal marriage.
I can't comprehend how in the year 2014 we are still even arguing about this bullshit.
- freedom0
Closeted?
- GeorgesIV0
ernexbcn, do you not see the irony of what you're saying or are you going to argue against me all day when I'm totally ok with everything your saying,
I'm just trying to point out that if you don't want to accept his point of view, one day you will be confronted with people that will disagree with your point of view and there will be no one left to accept yours
saying because we're 2014 we shouldn't have to deal with this kind of thing is kind of childish, I don't remember living in utopia, you want to make the world a better place work on the younger generation,
- i_monk0
GeorgesIV:
I don't care if someone, deep down, resents us having equal rights as long as they aren't fighting to keep or demote us to less-than-equal citizens. Opinions and private thoughts are immaterial and irrelevant; those opinions and thoughts turned into political or physical action are another matter entirely, and fair game for public reaction.
- I've lived my entire life with people like this and talking to them worked better than forcing them to hide their feelings,GeorgesIV
- So we should have lesser status until everyone, 100%, supports equality?i_monk
- you honestly know that isn't what I'm saying,GeorgesIV
- You said talking to them – getting them on board, essentially – is better than forcing them to accept equality.i_monk
- ernexbcn0
GeorgesIV it wasn't me who said "SJW are fuckn modern day segregationist".
Not going to continue arguing this, but if there's irony in what I said there is as well in your quoted comment.
- GeorgesIV0
did he ever fire a single person because of his/her sexual choices? Who brought forth this whole situation and got him to step down? who gave the bullets to the bigots to complain that once again someone had to step down because he wasn't politically correct.
I go by the motto live and let live because too often I see people who never experienced discrimination try to explain to me how I should feel about it and how I should react about it and honestly it pisses me off,
I_monk bro there was a time when I couldn't even date outside of my race and believe it or not it was only 20 years ago, I repeat 20 years ago,
I know full well the anger you feel to see people trying to treat you as 2nd level citizen, but what I did wasn't to silence them, I let them speak then countered, then they'll say something, then I'll counter with another point until either they realize they are foolish or they just dig themselves further in their own stupidity and at this point I'll just accept that they are cunts,
never will I accept to let other be segregated especially if I disagree with them, I want everyone to have the choice to be cunts, I want everyone to have the choice to see how wrong they are without making them fair game for public reaction, [ as I said before, wasn't pres O for a wedding between a man and a woman, shouldn't there be a public outcry? he changed his views, so it means people can change, http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_…
there's a thread about bullying in here, I could write 10 pages with all the experience I've had since I moved to europe as a small african child, but at one point in my life I decided enough is enough, I'm not ever going to let other dictate what my life should be, I moved around until I found a good place, strangely it was in the same europe I hated growing up that I felt people were more honest with me.
I'm sorry if you feel hurt man, I'm truly are, but freedom cuts both ways and you should know as a discriminated person how horrendous discrimination is and fight it, not embrace it
- hereswhatidid0
- good response, I'm happy they tried to talk it out like adult and he chose to remain a cunt, freeedom rocksGeorgesIV
- i_monk0
Framing a desire for equal treatment under the law as an "inflated sense of entitlement" is like call women's suffrage or the end of slavery "special treatment". Being called names is grounds for thicker skin; being turned away or fired or whatever is a rights issue.
- uh yeah.. not what i said.
enjoy your weekend.SteveJobs - that's exactly what you said, actuallyhereswhatidid
- uh yeah.. not what i said.
- i_monk0
GeorgesIV – I don't feel hurt, or even angry. I don't really have a dog in this fight, since I'm not Californian/American and we don't have the equivalent fight here.
I don't agree with targeting Mozilla/Firefox for Eich's views or actions, though someone obviously misjudged or didn't dig deep enough before promoting him, but people are free to boycott a company for whatever reason they want.