Brendan Eich resigns as Mozilla CEO
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- pinkfloyd0
Is there a bill that says nerds can't marry?
- GeorgesIV0
You know what ukit, I'd still be here defending him though,
strangely the only person I won't defend are hypocrites, those who veils themselves in an image they aren't, those are the one I fuckn hate,story time: when we first arrived here, my gf got the chance to go work with a master goldsmith. when she came back the first day she was freaked out, the guy was a pure fascist, the kind that had posters or musolini, german helmets from the ww2, all kind of memorabilia and the first day instead of saluting her, he did the roman salute,
I can't even start to tell you how freaked out she was when she got home. I remember telling her not to go, but it was a one in a million occasion to work with a true artist so she kept on going when other students 3 students dropped out.
one day I went there and got to meet the old cunt, he was all I was expecting, old, full of glorious memories from his childhood and a true ardent fascist, the more I'd go to pick her up, the more I'll loosen up and ask him some question, at the end of the day we kind stood our ground but we gained some understanding, he was old, from another generation and I was young with a different outlet at life.
anyways, time goes by and we decide to get married, guess who made us the most beautiful gift I've ever received, an fuckn old grumpy italian fascist made us our wedding rings. To this day I still laugh when I stroke my wedding ring because I know the only reason this guy made them was because I proved him I could keep up with his mental masturbation.
it seems the more we're supposed to be advanced with the help of technology the more we're losing our human touch, people can change if you just hear them out. but instead we've become thought integralist.
- Nice story but I have to say it sound like he's not a very good fascist :)ukit2
- He sounds like a dick.
Sure there might have been nice parts of him, but as a human being he was a failure.
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- ukit20
Let's be honest if he had some other objectionable view like donating to a white nationalist group no one would be suggesting we tolerate him and talk it over,he would have been gone in less than a hour.
So I think it has less to do with tolerance in general and more with this specific issue. Admittedly an issue that has evolved rathe quickly, but the US tech community is very progressive and supportive of gay rights which makes someone like this a poor choice to lead an organization like Mozilla IMO.
- i_monk0
GeorgesIV – I don't feel hurt, or even angry. I don't really have a dog in this fight, since I'm not Californian/American and we don't have the equivalent fight here.
I don't agree with targeting Mozilla/Firefox for Eich's views or actions, though someone obviously misjudged or didn't dig deep enough before promoting him, but people are free to boycott a company for whatever reason they want.
- hereswhatidid0
- good response, I'm happy they tried to talk it out like adult and he chose to remain a cunt, freeedom rocksGeorgesIV
- GeorgesIV0
did he ever fire a single person because of his/her sexual choices? Who brought forth this whole situation and got him to step down? who gave the bullets to the bigots to complain that once again someone had to step down because he wasn't politically correct.
I go by the motto live and let live because too often I see people who never experienced discrimination try to explain to me how I should feel about it and how I should react about it and honestly it pisses me off,
I_monk bro there was a time when I couldn't even date outside of my race and believe it or not it was only 20 years ago, I repeat 20 years ago,
I know full well the anger you feel to see people trying to treat you as 2nd level citizen, but what I did wasn't to silence them, I let them speak then countered, then they'll say something, then I'll counter with another point until either they realize they are foolish or they just dig themselves further in their own stupidity and at this point I'll just accept that they are cunts,
never will I accept to let other be segregated especially if I disagree with them, I want everyone to have the choice to be cunts, I want everyone to have the choice to see how wrong they are without making them fair game for public reaction, [ as I said before, wasn't pres O for a wedding between a man and a woman, shouldn't there be a public outcry? he changed his views, so it means people can change, http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_…
there's a thread about bullying in here, I could write 10 pages with all the experience I've had since I moved to europe as a small african child, but at one point in my life I decided enough is enough, I'm not ever going to let other dictate what my life should be, I moved around until I found a good place, strangely it was in the same europe I hated growing up that I felt people were more honest with me.
I'm sorry if you feel hurt man, I'm truly are, but freedom cuts both ways and you should know as a discriminated person how horrendous discrimination is and fight it, not embrace it
- ernexbcn0
GeorgesIV it wasn't me who said "SJW are fuckn modern day segregationist".
Not going to continue arguing this, but if there's irony in what I said there is as well in your quoted comment.
- i_monk0
GeorgesIV:
I don't care if someone, deep down, resents us having equal rights as long as they aren't fighting to keep or demote us to less-than-equal citizens. Opinions and private thoughts are immaterial and irrelevant; those opinions and thoughts turned into political or physical action are another matter entirely, and fair game for public reaction.
- I've lived my entire life with people like this and talking to them worked better than forcing them to hide their feelings,GeorgesIV
- So we should have lesser status until everyone, 100%, supports equality?i_monk
- you honestly know that isn't what I'm saying,GeorgesIV
- You said talking to them – getting them on board, essentially – is better than forcing them to accept equality.i_monk
- GeorgesIV0
ernexbcn, do you not see the irony of what you're saying or are you going to argue against me all day when I'm totally ok with everything your saying,
I'm just trying to point out that if you don't want to accept his point of view, one day you will be confronted with people that will disagree with your point of view and there will be no one left to accept yours
saying because we're 2014 we shouldn't have to deal with this kind of thing is kind of childish, I don't remember living in utopia, you want to make the world a better place work on the younger generation,
- freedom0
Closeted?
- ernexbcn0
GeorgesIV I'd say putting money to try to prevent some human beings from marrying is going against personal freedom.
Besides the sentimental values of marriage, there are other real world stuff that can only be attained through legal marriage.
I can't comprehend how in the year 2014 we are still even arguing about this bullshit.
- GeorgesIV0
so you're against personal freedom, that's kinda scary man,
I'm a visible minority, I don't even have to open my mouth for people to hate me in some places,so I should not work or get involved with this people to make them see how they're wrong, I should just make them step down because public opinion trumps personal freedom,
do you not see where it leads, you're kinda scaring me mate
- this/theseGeorgesIV
- Did he offer to work with anyone or explain his views?hereswhatidid
- ernexbcn0
Not sure how you can label this as "marketing" when it was clearly a shitstorm...
- ernexbcn0
This happened right after the was named CEO:
https://twitter.com/chmcavoy/sta…
https://twitter.com/zbraniecki/s…
https://twitter.com/soletelee/st…
- ernexbcn0
That's exactly my point, there were two wrong decisions here:
- Brendan Eich giving one thousand dollars to support denying rights to part of the US population.
- The board of directors of Mozilla not foreseeing the PR mess this already was when he was a CTO and not thinking it will show up again if they named him CEO.I'm not gay but have many friends that are. How would you feel if you were gay and the newly appointed CEO of your company was so against your rights that was willing to put money out of his wallet to prevent you from marrying?
And yes, corporations should care about how the public opinion perceives them, the CEO is the most visible actor so his public affairs are related to the company.
- detritus0
I don't even have a problem with them starting up a campaign and advertising who and what has or hasn't supported which or whatnot cause... I just think it's way beyond the pale to dedicate a homepage to a high-traffic site to explicitly getting a third party fired for what is ultimately an opinion, financially-backed or otherwise.
Sorry, it's just a marketing stunt.
- GeorgesIV0
ernexbcn, does he has the right to think what he wants,
don't want to start a debate here, but I live on a planet with 7 other billion people,
there will be people I disagree with, other I agree with,
- ernexbcn0
GeorgesIV what shaming? it's public information, not sure if you are aware that he received criticism a few years ago for this very same thing, but he was CTO at that time and people forgot about it.
It doesn't help either that in the public data of the donation shows his name and the employer...
- ernexbcn0
http://projects.latimes.com/prop…
I guess he regrets that donation now, or perhaps he regrets that political donations in the US aren't private (unless you use a proxy that is).
- GeorgesIV0
I_monk I fully support your cause but as a gay person you should know better than everyone what it is to be shamed for the choices you make,
do you not see the double standard? do you not know what happen when people are forced to go into a direction they do not chose by themselves,
they will internalize it and pretend to agree with you but they will resent you, they will laugh with you and even agree with you, but deep down, they'll hate you because they have to live a lie.
I know tons of people who pretends to be happy with gays, but you get 3 beers into them and they'll start to be honest and say shit like, gay people should be allowed to marry or asinine bs like gay shouldn't adopt or other bs, but the same people will treat you as their equal at work, does it make them bad people absolutely not, it's just that they have a mental block that they perpetuate, and the sjw want to shame them into hiding it,
[Canada lets talk about canada for a bit, I remember when I lived there everyone pretended to be open minded but the racism was present, it wasn't publicly said but it was there, palpable under the surface, just look how they treat the natives..]
the slope is slippery if you go this way mate, we are probably the last generation that will have division in sex (australia just accepted the third sex denomination btw), the young don't care about what sexual preference just like they don't care about race,
maybe we were just born in the wrong generation, so be weary of people that pretends to embrace your cause, those will be the same person that will turn on you in an instant when the hype is gone