Brendan Eich resigns as Mozilla CEO
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- ernexbcn0
Not sure how you can label this as "marketing" when it was clearly a shitstorm...
- GeorgesIV0
so you're against personal freedom, that's kinda scary man,
I'm a visible minority, I don't even have to open my mouth for people to hate me in some places,so I should not work or get involved with this people to make them see how they're wrong, I should just make them step down because public opinion trumps personal freedom,
do you not see where it leads, you're kinda scaring me mate
- this/theseGeorgesIV
- Did he offer to work with anyone or explain his views?hereswhatidid
- ernexbcn0
GeorgesIV I'd say putting money to try to prevent some human beings from marrying is going against personal freedom.
Besides the sentimental values of marriage, there are other real world stuff that can only be attained through legal marriage.
I can't comprehend how in the year 2014 we are still even arguing about this bullshit.
- freedom0
Closeted?
- GeorgesIV0
ernexbcn, do you not see the irony of what you're saying or are you going to argue against me all day when I'm totally ok with everything your saying,
I'm just trying to point out that if you don't want to accept his point of view, one day you will be confronted with people that will disagree with your point of view and there will be no one left to accept yours
saying because we're 2014 we shouldn't have to deal with this kind of thing is kind of childish, I don't remember living in utopia, you want to make the world a better place work on the younger generation,
- i_monk0
GeorgesIV:
I don't care if someone, deep down, resents us having equal rights as long as they aren't fighting to keep or demote us to less-than-equal citizens. Opinions and private thoughts are immaterial and irrelevant; those opinions and thoughts turned into political or physical action are another matter entirely, and fair game for public reaction.
- I've lived my entire life with people like this and talking to them worked better than forcing them to hide their feelings,GeorgesIV
- So we should have lesser status until everyone, 100%, supports equality?i_monk
- you honestly know that isn't what I'm saying,GeorgesIV
- You said talking to them – getting them on board, essentially – is better than forcing them to accept equality.i_monk
- ernexbcn0
GeorgesIV it wasn't me who said "SJW are fuckn modern day segregationist".
Not going to continue arguing this, but if there's irony in what I said there is as well in your quoted comment.
- GeorgesIV0
did he ever fire a single person because of his/her sexual choices? Who brought forth this whole situation and got him to step down? who gave the bullets to the bigots to complain that once again someone had to step down because he wasn't politically correct.
I go by the motto live and let live because too often I see people who never experienced discrimination try to explain to me how I should feel about it and how I should react about it and honestly it pisses me off,
I_monk bro there was a time when I couldn't even date outside of my race and believe it or not it was only 20 years ago, I repeat 20 years ago,
I know full well the anger you feel to see people trying to treat you as 2nd level citizen, but what I did wasn't to silence them, I let them speak then countered, then they'll say something, then I'll counter with another point until either they realize they are foolish or they just dig themselves further in their own stupidity and at this point I'll just accept that they are cunts,
never will I accept to let other be segregated especially if I disagree with them, I want everyone to have the choice to be cunts, I want everyone to have the choice to see how wrong they are without making them fair game for public reaction, [ as I said before, wasn't pres O for a wedding between a man and a woman, shouldn't there be a public outcry? he changed his views, so it means people can change, http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_…
there's a thread about bullying in here, I could write 10 pages with all the experience I've had since I moved to europe as a small african child, but at one point in my life I decided enough is enough, I'm not ever going to let other dictate what my life should be, I moved around until I found a good place, strangely it was in the same europe I hated growing up that I felt people were more honest with me.
I'm sorry if you feel hurt man, I'm truly are, but freedom cuts both ways and you should know as a discriminated person how horrendous discrimination is and fight it, not embrace it
- hereswhatidid0
- good response, I'm happy they tried to talk it out like adult and he chose to remain a cunt, freeedom rocksGeorgesIV
- i_monk0
GeorgesIV – I don't feel hurt, or even angry. I don't really have a dog in this fight, since I'm not Californian/American and we don't have the equivalent fight here.
I don't agree with targeting Mozilla/Firefox for Eich's views or actions, though someone obviously misjudged or didn't dig deep enough before promoting him, but people are free to boycott a company for whatever reason they want.
- ukit20
Let's be honest if he had some other objectionable view like donating to a white nationalist group no one would be suggesting we tolerate him and talk it over,he would have been gone in less than a hour.
So I think it has less to do with tolerance in general and more with this specific issue. Admittedly an issue that has evolved rathe quickly, but the US tech community is very progressive and supportive of gay rights which makes someone like this a poor choice to lead an organization like Mozilla IMO.
- GeorgesIV0
You know what ukit, I'd still be here defending him though,
strangely the only person I won't defend are hypocrites, those who veils themselves in an image they aren't, those are the one I fuckn hate,story time: when we first arrived here, my gf got the chance to go work with a master goldsmith. when she came back the first day she was freaked out, the guy was a pure fascist, the kind that had posters or musolini, german helmets from the ww2, all kind of memorabilia and the first day instead of saluting her, he did the roman salute,
I can't even start to tell you how freaked out she was when she got home. I remember telling her not to go, but it was a one in a million occasion to work with a true artist so she kept on going when other students 3 students dropped out.
one day I went there and got to meet the old cunt, he was all I was expecting, old, full of glorious memories from his childhood and a true ardent fascist, the more I'd go to pick her up, the more I'll loosen up and ask him some question, at the end of the day we kind stood our ground but we gained some understanding, he was old, from another generation and I was young with a different outlet at life.
anyways, time goes by and we decide to get married, guess who made us the most beautiful gift I've ever received, an fuckn old grumpy italian fascist made us our wedding rings. To this day I still laugh when I stroke my wedding ring because I know the only reason this guy made them was because I proved him I could keep up with his mental masturbation.
it seems the more we're supposed to be advanced with the help of technology the more we're losing our human touch, people can change if you just hear them out. but instead we've become thought integralist.
- Nice story but I have to say it sound like he's not a very good fascist :)ukit2
- He sounds like a dick.
Sure there might have been nice parts of him, but as a human being he was a failure.
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- pinkfloyd0
Is there a bill that says nerds can't marry?
- SteveJobs0
for all we know the next guy (or gal) who supplants him will share his views. but i get it, company has to save face, and we all pretend that everything is a-ok and mozilla (or any other company, for that matter) and their respective owners really do back your personal beliefs and choice of lifestyle. pfff...
constitutional rights and similar aside, i wonder what life would be like if suppressing personal views on race, religion, and other lifestyle choices were just as taboo as expressing them is now...
- ukit20
I think it's all an example of free speech at work right?
The guy expresses his right to free speech by donating to a cause he supports (and you can bet if he donates $1k to the Prop 8 campaign he obviously feels fairly strongly about it).
Online activists then use their free speech to object to and boycott his appointment as CEO.
Mozilla then exercises their right to fire him as CEO in response.
I don't see what anyone can really object to here, unless you are suggesting we should coerce any of the people above into acting a certain way. Companies are inherently risk averse so it's no surprise a company like Mozilla (headquartered in San Francisco, after all) would be sensitive to the gay rights issue.
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free speech isn't freedom from criticismhereswhatidid
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- uuuuuu0
CEO can be a political position and he wasn't fired he resigned so this is him conceding that he is not the appropriate person to represent the company with the controversy.
- SteveJobs0
ok, but why did he resign? he legitimately may be the best person suited for this role, and could change the world and be the second coming of steve jobs
- SteveJobs0
If he was exercising his free speech, what wrong has he done in his own eyes or the eyes of Mozilla? Has any crime been committed? What does Mozilla fear and why?
i'm playing dumb here on purpose, because i know the reality and it's that last question that doesn't sit right with me.
- The dude resigned, Mozilla did not fire himhereswhatidid
- why did he resign?SteveJobs
- SteveJobs0
protect the brand/image from what?