Apple faces reality
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- monospaced0
"If the company really wants to disappoint shareholders, just keep fanning their fear that they'll never see this cash in the form of dividends or stock buybacks."
Trust me, stockholders don't give a shit about the .005% dividends—they never had them before and they have only been issued once in history—and it's statements like this that make the WSJ look more and more everyday like a gossip column. The real investors only hope Apple uses their money wisely, not give it back.
- *correction, offered dividends twice in recent historymonospaced
- They actually announced last year that they were going to offer dividends and buybacks, $10+ bil a year.zarkonite
- and that was just about the time they stopped being a growth stock. They know what they're doing, the only reason institutional investors tolerated not seeing a dime is because of the growth of the stock.zarkonite
- institutional investors tolerated not seeing a dime is because of the growth of the stock.zarkonite
- Okay, good. That means the WSJ is even more batshit crazy than I thought.monospaced
- sine0
Samsung Galaxy outsold iPhone 5 last quarter of 2012...
- and Samsung makes Apples touhscreenssine
- touchscreens*sine
- No they didn't. Apple beat them and it was a big deal.monospaced
- Why do you even write stupid shit like that? There are countless articles stating the exact opposite.monospaced
- Just in case you don't accuse me of being a fanboy, I pulled this from an Android site: http://www.androidau…monospaced
- Frosty_spl0
I was eating with friends the other day. 3 of them had the new huge Galaxy note or other huge Android device. And I had a serious case of phone envy.
- Because of the size or because Android is better?monospaced
- That phone is too big. The End.mg33
- i would laugh when i see someone holding a massive phone like that.pango
- Well maybe it wasn't a note, but they were much bigger than mine. Big bright screen looks sweet. And the iphone tiles are stale.Frosty_spl
- ...getting stale.Frosty_spl
- mg330
Anyone have stats on how many people were iPhone users that switched to something else? Probably hard to find I guess. Would just love to know the reasons by a variety of people - tech addicts, common folk, early adopters... and reasons for switching like cost, features, etc.
- mg330
What incredible timing! Two guys I work with just within earshot of my desk are talking about selling iPhones, other phones, etc. One of them is the most absurd switcheroo master of devices ever. He used to hate Apple, then got an iPad, then an iPhone, and at the same time one of those little Google laptops. His wife got an iPhone and iPad and loved it. He was converted. Then new shit started coming out and all of a sudden the Apple stuff wasn't good anymore. I've seen him buy a couple non-Apple phones that ended up really not being that great. All he talks about sometimes is how great whatever new phone he has is because he can do development or something on it (which he doesn't even do) as if a feature of the phone he won't use somehow makes it better for him. Totally dumb.
- pang0
It doesn't take a financial analyst to work out that stocks must come down at some stage. They can't just keep going up endlessly. So that article is a bit OTT in its purpose.
And as for all the rivalry nonsense... same old, same old.
One time it was Microsoft, now its Samsung. "Whop-de-friggin'-doo". If the hipsters want to hold a phone that's the size of skate board (or hover board in the future - **nod to mg33) and go "Wow, look at the size of my screen"... good luck to them and it going into their pockets...
- dbloc0
- lolernexbcn
- but. you did post!twokids
- In fact, if you did not read this post, why did you place a did not read video here? How do you even decide to do that?twokids
- Has anyone ever fallen for this? Of course you read it.animatedgif
- necromation0
BLAH BLAH BLAH... The truth is Apple ain't going anywhere and it will NEVER be cooler to have a fucking Samsung phone than a IPhone.
I have worked with Samsung products and got to use/test them and they are FUCKING shit... why on earth would i think it's cool to slide my hand across my screen in order to screen shot the page!?!?!
Just big screens and gimicks. Lets see who's still in the game 10 years from now...- Apple will total be embedded into everything : TV, MUSIC and COMMUNICATION. waitnecromation
- A little over 10 years ago Apple was nothingformed
- sine0
- twokids0
the point really is - all the companies that are sitting on top of the world for a few years, better look in the rear view mirror. somthing is coming.
Remember AOL? they seemed impregnable for a time
Remember Blockbuster? They were on every corner, seemingly invincible?
Remember Microsoft? They defined Tech for a period of time.- Microsoft is still doing incredible well.rootlock
- SO well. Their stock price is exactly what it was in 2000.monospaced
- exactly. And they just had a record quarter.rootlock
- Apple had what, like, 10 record quarters and they're failing? Microsoft has their first and they're doing well?monospaced
- apple is failing? don't think so. Microsoft 2012 profit 6 b.rootlock
- Exactly, Apple's not failing, but you wouldn't know that after reading hundreds of articles saying they are done.monospaced
- Apple posted $36 in one quarter, 6x more than MS in an entire year.monospaced
- I don't how anyone can agree with how companies like AOL and MS have fallen from grace, and not see that the same will eventually happen to Apple.ETM
- stock value isn't the only indicator of a healthy company.plash
- same will happen to Apple. It only comes down to whether companies can climb up again after a dip.ETM
- It's not an endless rise and/or plateau. It's always a wave. Anyone understanding business or stocks knows this.ETM
- @plash... you bastard. Don't interrupt! :)ETM
- lol sorryplash
- Microsoft pays enormous dividends. It's a better stock to hold if you want profit.zarkonite
- Yes. 13c is huge compared to apples $2+monospaced
- It depends short term vs long-term and if Apple will continue to offer dividends.ETM
- lumedia0
This article assumes that Apple will simply continue to produce iphones indefinitely. I think the author will have to swallow his words when Apple revolutionizes the television marketplace just as it did the smartphone marketplace.
- lumedia0
^ I'm sure the only thing delaying the Apple TV is media licensing, but once they get the execs at the major media producers to realize that change is coming, they will have accomplished everything that Netflix, Hulu etc have been unsucessfully trying to do.
- monospaced0
I actually see Apple moving more in the total automation world. Siri on the iPhone can be thought of almost like a beta test. It's improving, Apple is obviously pouring tons of R&D into it (see new job postings), and it's being integrated into vehicles left and right. With that being said, I can see them moving into the home space to add voice commands to everyday things, like in futuristic movies. Walk into your home and say, "Play my favorite playlist, set the heat to 70, turn on the newest episode of my favorite show, and preheat the oven to 350," and let it all work and maybe even respond.
- you have a lot of shares?sine
- depends on what you consider a lotmonospaced
- Well if it's in the hundreds, it won;t be a retirement fund.ETM
- if it were in the hundreds I'd have enough to buy a house right now.monospaced
- My AAPL stock has appreciated by 1000%. Definitely a retirement fund.monospaced
- 1000% is total BS. Do you know how to calculate stock appreciation??ETM
- At current value, $457.35, and lets say you had them 5 years, means you got them at around $41 each.ETM
- The recent historical low is around $79.14 in 2008. Unless you bought them back in the late 90s when they were as low as $5.ETM
- $5. If you bought them 10-15 years ago, then I apologize.ETM
- I bought them around $50.monospaced
- I know ALL about percentages. I've been trading for decades.monospaced
- I bought 50 shares at $50 right before the iPhone came out, and that was barely 7 years ago.monospaced
- You think you're so badass saying their low is $79 in '08, then jumped to the '90s. It was like $5 in 2003. I bought then too.monospaced
- bought then also.monospaced
- I clearly said "recent historical low"... 5 year period. I also said I apologize if you bought them further back than that.ETM
- Not sure how it could be much clearer.ETM
- You do have more than the 50 shares though, right? Only curious because you have mentioned retirement fund.ETM
- However, 50 a tidy sum, $2500 in, $23k out (currently).ETM
- exactly, and I didn't mean to imply i"d retire, just taht it made me a buttload of cashmonospaced
- teh0
yup im with CREDO. got the S3 for free 2 year contract. unlimited data, 400 txt but no roll over $74.00 a month. was a cyber monday deal.