UK outside the EU
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- Fax_Benson0
British public's level of concern over the EU relationship, as of 2 weeks ago.
- Fax_Benson0
- SNOW should be top%.
It's all that's been on the f*cking news!!!!!!!23kon
- SNOW should be top%.
- kingkong0
personally im all for it
immigration has been a disaster in terms of pr and management
Europe is basically flawed/fucked.
Northern Europe is fundamentally different to southern Europe, pretending were all the same got us in this mess.
As someone who runs a business with european clients they all see it as noise and if anything they are al running to non euro countries like the Swiss or the UK.
Europe's Socialist ideas are dangerous, and in an ever globalized world utterly unrealistic financially.
the madness is that a 'financial club' is way more powerful than a political club.
frankly the EU is protectionism in action, and that as a financial model has ever worked.
The idea that a non elected body can reign over an elected body is bizzare.
Im all for Europe but anyone who things that its current incarnation is correct is mad. Financial its broken, philisophically its broken, it's ideals born out of world war were all well and good, but the world is a different place than 60 years ago. Co-interdependance as a means for peace just seems quaint.
I no Cameron fan but sleep walking to a super state of europe is political arrogance and the 'social experiment' that is the EIU will be seen in history as destructive not constructive in my opinion.
The fact that the UK demographic mix has massively shifted in 10 years make me angry. No one asked, no one listened, and now if anything they/we have created zenophopia where there never was any, totally counter to the original aim.
So no im not a fan of him, but being european is a cultural and economic club not a political and financial one.
carry on I say.
Oh and the europeans are foreign
- you sure there wasn't any xenophobia 10 years ago?Fax_Benson
- Northern England is different from the south.qTime
- Our government wants mass immigration. If your white and middle class your fucked.qTime
- yep,history's great oppressed, the white middle class.Fax_Benson
- eoin0
It's all a bit hokey-kokey.
- ernexbcn0
To me, Cameron is using this to distract the public from the other issues. Let him have it, in any case I'm all for letting the people vote.
- Fax_Benson0
Experts can't predict the impacts that leaving the union might have. The general public will be almost entirely clueless. Cameron knows that most people don't want, or wouldn't understand the implications of, a referendum. The chances of the public being informed via a sensible, impartial debate between now and then are zero.
He's using this to placate his party and as a bargaining tool to negotiate new terms with Europe. They, like most, think he's a complete twat.
Europe is a financial mess, but that has nothing to do with the fact that Europeans are free to travel to the UK and work,
- chrisRG0
^yep, and I guess that's a question he needs to answer, what will happen to Brits working in EU and to EU woking in UK?
- qTime0
Some people are mixing up Europe with immigration.
Our government actually wants mass immigration.- some people are mixing up your with you'reFax_Benson
- some people are being pedantic ;)qTime
- pang0
The BBC reported there would be alot of conditional "IFS" before there's even a public vote. So the chances of anything coming out of this, let alone in 2015 or whenever... it's more of the usual "same old, same old", i.e. politician says one thing and then later does the opposite.