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it's typical rightwing-tory brinkmanship - lead everyone to the edge of the cliff to let them know a) just how far they'll go to fuck things up and b) how high the cliff is so everyone holds tight to their rope.
I wouldn't worry about it too much, the American administration's more than loudly voiced their discontent at the situation, and if there's one thing Britain's still really good at, it's doing what America tells it to.
EU could as easily play the game and hardline Cameron's pick and choose philosophy - I'm sure he'd (and the moneymen he kowtows to) crane his neck in in no time if the EU threatened to fuck our right to free trade on the continent.
Not sure the public is best placed to make a decision on this.
For me the quality of life appears better in France and Germany than the UK plus people like Cameron hate things like capping the hours worked by people that the EU want. So I'm all up for closer relations with Europe. I don't really care where we are ruled from.
Its not like we really have democracy in the UK with only 2.5 parties to choose from.
- God no! The public should never be consulted on things like this. The public = morons. I know, because I'm public.detritus
- Sadly most of the public believe what they are told in the Sun.qTime
- So true - a plebiscite is the worse possible outcome for this situation, we live with a bunch of zenophobic fucktardsrupedixon
- Look at all those Britons moving to Paris. Not. It's the French who flock to London for jobs.shaft
- My French client calculated, his state medical service costs more in tax than it would have in insurance in the US.shaft
- -cool story, shaftqTime
This is David Cameron pandering to the Daily Mail readership, but as Detritus mentioned, the US have made their position on the subject clear.
The problem with Cameron is he's a complete imbecile, and doesn't really know when he's gone too far.
I reckon he'll take it to the end. And, what's more, the EU will let him, to teach him a lesson.
Go team Cameron,
the guy is a visionary,
he single-handedly made the Uk a better country,
just look around, smile and love all around
thanks Mr Cameron
And he said he wants to be in charge until 2020! Great years ahead.
Nobody cares because no-one in this country seems to be able (or willing) to explain what the EU is or stands for - so it just appears to be a money pit
Cameron is useless but the country's finance were totally wrecked by the last lot - Christ knows why anyone wants them back. Every time Ed Balls makes one of his flatline jibes it's like he's proud of what he's done, the cunt.
If it is put to a vote we'll be out of the EU thanks to UKIP/Daily Mail scaremongering, which the pro-EU lobby seems totally incapable of counteracting.
At least the UK can count on the numerous natural resources it has on its territory,
so good mode David, you can proceed
Cameron is the worst kind of Tory.
And he said he wants to be in charge until 2020! Great years ahead.
I think this is wishful thinking, on his part. He's managed to re-Thatcherise the UK to swiftly and completely — even more so than Thatcher herself — that he won't survive the next general election.
And his monkey Clegg will never been seen in politics again.
- *so swiftly [...]Continuity
- Agree, he's kinda Thatcher + Blair.chrisRG
- Well, the problem he's a bungler, whereas as Thatcher was shrewd and calculating. In a way, that makes him more dangerous.Continuity
- As much as I despise Thatcher at least she had a brain and wasn't from the Toff ClassqTime
I have often thought it would be cool to let world political leaders do like a wife swap show for a month..
Cameron swaps with Obama, Merkel with Kim Jong Il..
It would be hilarious to watch on tv
...besides which, we're joining our French chums for war games in Mali. Tying together militaries in readiness of a Pan-European Military structure is hardly a harbinger of political division.
He won't stop!
PM David Cameron: "We will give the British people a referendum with a very simple in or out choice"
In a long-awaited speech, Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election.
He said it would be a decision on the UK's "destiny" and, if he secured a new relationship he was happy with, he would campaign "heart and soul" to stay within the EU.
i think the two tier idea is best. basically a cake and eat it scenario
i dont want to pay in euros in the UK, i for one am fiercely proud of our british heritage and want to maintain the status-quo.
it doesnt make sense for us to have laws and judicial rulings just for them to be overturned by an european judicial system.
we should also define our own human rights policies
from a marketing perspective its a master stroke.
1. hes saying to europe if you dont agree to these rules then you run the risk of losing the uk
2. hes gained popularity from the right wing in the next election guaranteeing their success
3. get out of jail free card is 'the public voted' so whatever happens politically he can wash his hands of it.
4. no competing political parties can protest or campaign against a public vote
the common market works!
it seems at the moment that Europe as a bundled entity doesnt.
- "fiercely proud"? How so?detritus
- Have you stabbed a Frenchman in the eye today with some Sheffield Stainless? Forced a German to eat pound coins?detritus
- Why does it matter where our laws are made? I rather Europe make them than the ConLibsqTime
- @detritus meh everyone below the m62 is foreign loltrooperbill
My sarcasm radar is on the blink - is that a genuine post trooperbill? Just curious.
Its funny to see papers like the Torygraph back peddle now and print stories about how we should stat in Europe.
Does the European working time directive apply to designers?
Regarding the EU laws, It is estimated that the EU laws which need to be adhered to cost 2.5 times what our own laws cost.
The tories main problem which is a genuine concern is that we pay in about £440 each into the EU and receive £128 less than we pay in. It's just not good on paper at all. This is something which needs to be addressed.
It is also something which needs to be carefully addressed because it could be a whole lot less that we receive if we have to pay for trade etc. in Europe and the cost generated by going it alone would be substantial. If Cameron can actually pick and chose which would be great it would be a miracle.
the problem is public education
most people dont know what europe is about, they just hear about immigration and how much we pay to be in there, how they overturn our rules and how theyre taking our ability to make out own laws
they need to create a massive public awareness campaign on why europes so good for the uk
we joined without anyone saying 'why' over 40 years ago
Would that make any practical difference? Not even for travel as UK and Ireland are not in Schengen anyway (funny enough, some non-EU countries are in).
There are a few countries outside of the EU in Europe, some doing quite well, I don't see why the UK (or any EU country) couldn't.
Unbeknownst to most Europeans, voting system in the EU changes in 2014 to one brought upon by Lisbon Treaty. Technically, EU will be ruled by 4-5 large countries that represent 50% of the EU population. There will be no room for opposition, it will simply be ignored. Those EU vetoes you hear about? In most areas they are scrapped too.
If UK isn't one of these countries that will keep full control (and it clearly will be a Franco-German coalition), it will have no say in the EU at all.