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  • chrisRG

    Is it just me or this seems to be getting really serious.
    I'm curious on what do you guys think about that.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politi…

    Jan 14, 13, 6:51 a.m. – Permalink
  • detritus

    it's typical rightwing-tory brinkmanship - lead everyone to the edge of the cliff to let them know a) just how far they'll go to fuck things up and b) how high the cliff is so everyone holds tight to their rope.

    I wouldn't worry about it too much, the American administration's more than loudly voiced their discontent at the situation, and if there's one thing Britain's still really good at, it's doing what America tells it to.

    EU could as easily play the game and hardline Cameron's pick and choose philosophy - I'm sure he'd (and the moneymen he kowtows to) crane his neck in in no time if the EU threatened to fuck our right to free trade on the continent.

    • We should have been at the heart of Europe from the start. Now we are weaker for our ditheringqTime1/2
      I know, it's saddening, isn't it? A million miles from nascent Europe in '92. Sheesh.
      "Unity is strength", etc.
      detritus2/2
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    Dog-earJan 14, 13, 6:54 a.m. – Permalink
  • qTime

    Not sure the public is best placed to make a decision on this.

    For me the quality of life appears better in France and Germany than the UK plus people like Cameron hate things like capping the hours worked by people that the EU want. So I'm all up for closer relations with Europe. I don't really care where we are ruled from.
    Its not like we really have democracy in the UK with only 2.5 parties to choose from.

    • God no! The public should never be consulted on things like this. The public = morons. I know, because I'm public.detritus1/6
      Sadly most of the public believe what they are told in the Sun.qTime2/6
      So true - a plebiscite is the worse possible outcome for this situation, we live with a bunch of zenophobic fucktardsrupedixon3/6
      Look at all those Britons moving to Paris. Not. It's the French who flock to London for jobs.shaft4/6
      My French client calculated, his state medical service costs more in tax than it would have in insurance in the US.shaft5/6
      -cool story, shaftqTime6/6
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    Dog-earJan 14, 13, 6:55 a.m. – Permalink
  • Continuity

    This is David Cameron pandering to the Daily Mail readership, but as Detritus mentioned, the US have made their position on the subject clear.

    The problem with Cameron is he's a complete imbecile, and doesn't really know when he's gone too far.

    I reckon he'll take it to the end. And, what's more, the EU will let him, to teach him a lesson.

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    Dog-earJan 14, 13, 7:17 a.m. – Permalink
  • GeorgesII

    Go team Cameron,
    the guy is a visionary,
    he single-handedly made the Uk a better country,
    just look around, smile and love all around

    thanks Mr Cameron

    • Whats sad is the opposition aren't that much better.qTime
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    Dog-earJan 14, 13, 7:34 a.m. – Permalink
  • chrisRG

    And he said he wants to be in charge until 2020! Great years ahead.

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    Dog-earJan 14, 13, 7:39 a.m. – Permalink
  • Fax_Benson

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/ale…

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    Dog-earJan 14, 13, 7:47 a.m. – Permalink
  • hans_glib

    Nobody cares because no-one in this country seems to be able (or willing) to explain what the EU is or stands for - so it just appears to be a money pit

    Cameron is useless but the country's finance were totally wrecked by the last lot - Christ knows why anyone wants them back. Every time Ed Balls makes one of his flatline jibes it's like he's proud of what he's done, the cunt.

    If it is put to a vote we'll be out of the EU thanks to UKIP/Daily Mail scaremongering, which the pro-EU lobby seems totally incapable of counteracting.

    • I think you'll find that that mess goes back a lot further than Brown / Blair.qTime1/3
      The mess basically has its origins with Thatcher, and Reagan by proxy.Continuity2/3
      hans_glib - exactly, no ones ever 'sold' the idea of europe to ustrooperbill3/3
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    Dog-earJan 14, 13, 7:51 a.m. – Permalink
  • GeorgesII

    At least the UK can count on the numerous natural resources it has on its territory,
    so good mode David, you can proceed

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    Dog-earJan 14, 13, 7:52 a.m. – Permalink
  • fadein11

    Cameron is the worst kind of Tory.

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    Dog-earJan 14, 13, 7:52 a.m. – Permalink
  • Continuity

    chrisRG
    And he said he wants to be in charge until 2020! Great years ahead.

    I think this is wishful thinking, on his part. He's managed to re-Thatcherise the UK to swiftly and completely — even more so than Thatcher herself — that he won't survive the next general election.

    And his monkey Clegg will never been seen in politics again.

    • *so swiftly [...]Continuity1/4
      Agree, he's kinda Thatcher + Blair.chrisRG2/4
      Well, the problem he's a bungler, whereas as Thatcher was shrewd and calculating. In a way, that makes him more dangerous.Continuity3/4
      As much as I despise Thatcher at least she had a brain and wasn't from the Toff ClassqTime4/4
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    Dog-earJan 14, 13, 7:54 a.m. – Permalink
  • autoflavour

    I have often thought it would be cool to let world political leaders do like a wife swap show for a month..

    Cameron swaps with Obama, Merkel with Kim Jong Il..

    It would be hilarious to watch on tv

    • Hahaha and the children?qTime
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    Dog-earJan 14, 13, 9:25 a.m. – Permalink
  • detritus

    ...besides which, we're joining our French chums for war games in Mali. Tying together militaries in readiness of a Pan-European Military structure is hardly a harbinger of political division.

    • Apparently, we're just supplying transport... Yeah right!
      *SAS sneak out the back door
      goldieboy1/3
      Germany is fairly neutral, providing "logistics".shaft2/3
      until one of those transports get fired at. that's an act of war.monNom3/3
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    Dog-earJan 14, 13, 10:19 a.m. – Permalink
  • chrisRG

    He won't stop!
    PM David Cameron: "We will give the British people a referendum with a very simple in or out choice"

    In a long-awaited speech, Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament - by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election.

    He said it would be a decision on the UK's "destiny" and, if he secured a new relationship he was happy with, he would campaign "heart and soul" to stay within the EU.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-pol…

    • Stupid+incompetent = fucking dangerousContinuity
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    Dog-earJan 23, 13, 2:27 a.m. – Permalink
  • trooperbill

    i think the two tier idea is best. basically a cake and eat it scenario

    i dont want to pay in euros in the UK, i for one am fiercely proud of our british heritage and want to maintain the status-quo.

    it doesnt make sense for us to have laws and judicial rulings just for them to be overturned by an european judicial system.

    we should also define our own human rights policies

    from a marketing perspective its a master stroke.

    1. hes saying to europe if you dont agree to these rules then you run the risk of losing the uk

    2. hes gained popularity from the right wing in the next election guaranteeing their success

    3. get out of jail free card is 'the public voted' so whatever happens politically he can wash his hands of it.

    4. no competing political parties can protest or campaign against a public vote

    ...genuis.

    the common market works!
    it seems at the moment that Europe as a bundled entity doesnt.

    • "fiercely proud"? How so?detritus1/5
      Have you stabbed a Frenchman in the eye today with some Sheffield Stainless? Forced a German to eat pound coins?detritus2/5
      coins?detritus3/5
      Why does it matter where our laws are made? I rather Europe make them than the ConLibsqTime4/5
      @detritus meh everyone below the m62 is foreign loltrooperbill5/5
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    Dog-earJan 23, 13, 3:24 a.m. – Permalink
  • Fax_Benson

    My sarcasm radar is on the blink - is that a genuine post trooperbill? Just curious.

    • semi... just to keep you on your toes lol
      trooperbill
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    Dog-earJan 23, 13, 3:40 a.m. – Permalink
  • qTime

    Its funny to see papers like the Torygraph back peddle now and print stories about how we should stat in Europe.

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    Dog-earJan 23, 13, 4:44 a.m. – Permalink
  • qTime

    Does the European working time directive apply to designers?

    • No sensible labour laws ever seem apply to designers.Continuity1/2
      I'm really bored of working until 8 or 9pm, its not like we are saving the world.qTime2/2
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    Dog-earJan 23, 13, 5:01 a.m. – Permalink
  • chossy

    Regarding the EU laws, It is estimated that the EU laws which need to be adhered to cost 2.5 times what our own laws cost.

    The tories main problem which is a genuine concern is that we pay in about £440 each into the EU and receive £128 less than we pay in. It's just not good on paper at all. This is something which needs to be addressed.
    It is also something which needs to be carefully addressed because it could be a whole lot less that we receive if we have to pay for trade etc. in Europe and the cost generated by going it alone would be substantial. If Cameron can actually pick and chose which would be great it would be a miracle.

    • Well Britain does pick and choose, this campaign is part of pick and choose negotiation, nothing else.shaft
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    Dog-earJan 23, 13, 5:26 a.m. – Permalink
  • trooperbill

    the problem is public education

    most people dont know what europe is about, they just hear about immigration and how much we pay to be in there, how they overturn our rules and how theyre taking our ability to make out own laws

    they need to create a massive public awareness campaign on why europes so good for the uk

    we joined without anyone saying 'why' over 40 years ago

    • What is Europe then? How is it so good for the UK? Do tell please.shaft1/2
      40 years ago there wasn't EU, it was a completely different entity, with different goals. EU was established 3 years ago.shaft2/2
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    Dog-earJan 23, 13, 5:36 a.m. – Permalink
  • shaft

    Would that make any practical difference? Not even for travel as UK and Ireland are not in Schengen anyway (funny enough, some non-EU countries are in).

    There are a few countries outside of the EU in Europe, some doing quite well, I don't see why the UK (or any EU country) couldn't.

    Unbeknownst to most Europeans, voting system in the EU changes in 2014 to one brought upon by Lisbon Treaty. Technically, EU will be ruled by 4-5 large countries that represent 50% of the EU population. There will be no room for opposition, it will simply be ignored. Those EU vetoes you hear about? In most areas they are scrapped too.

    If UK isn't one of these countries that will keep full control (and it clearly will be a Franco-German coalition), it will have no say in the EU at all.

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    Dog-earJan 23, 13, 12:28 p.m. – Permalink

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