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- TheBlueOne0
No, the article is the equivalent of someone standing and watching two others struggle with getting a couch into the door of an apartment:
"You know with the big guy in the back there you're going to just sort of smash that couch through the door there, there is probably not going to be much left of it after you get it into the apartment."
"Whatever man, we get paid to get the thing in the door, not if you can sit on it after it's inside. If it makes you feel better, we'll put the small guy in the back."
*movers switch
"Yeah, but now you're just pulling the thing through the door with brute force. The cushioning is still ripping off and the frame is getting bent."
*movers stop, look at bystander
"We're still getting paid no matter what. Do you want the couch smashed into bits or do you want the cushioning ripped off and the frame bent. Your choice pal."
- YearzOne0
- Looks like Mitt is getting wanded by a TSAfooler
- he gets a chair brought out to the runway for him when he gets wanded. Roughaaux
- I like the fact how the rich got richer during obummer administration. good call.yurimon
- You show your neocon colors with that "obummer" statement, yuri. Ending the top end tax breaks is just a baby step, but it's better than going full speed ahead to the trickle down policy romney and his cohorts will put in place.aaux
- it's better than going full speed ahead to the trickle down policy romney and his cohorts will put in place.aaux
- Guarantee, if romney wins the first thing we'll see is repealing estate taxes, then capital gains taxes. His 1% friends will all pay zero taxes.aaux
- pay exactly zero in taxes, yet continue to enjoy the freedom our country provides.aaux
- I think labor should be taxed..
only capt gains and sales tax.
The tax system you have is based on fed reserve system.
income tax was promised only to help the ww2 effort and was only supposed to be that.yurimon - income tax was promised only to help the ww2 effort and was only supposed to be last till the war ended but promises promises. you know the deal.yurimon
- income tax was promised only to help the ww2 effort and was only supposed to be last till the war ended but promises promises. you know the deal.yurimon
- single and 35 taxed like fuckin crazy by obama74LEO
- I mean labor should not be taxed.yurimon
- yurimon0
Remember the bailout of the banks. That was a huge wealth distribution to the top. It would have been cheaper to bail out the people for less then 300 million $$. Thats a huge difference...
I guess all you have to do to appear to be for the people is some fancy photo editing and smooth talking. but yet the denial still sets in because you like the brand not for the truth. yeah yeah.oh Romney helped launder drug $$ for bush sr. So I am not voting for him either. However bush jr policies were kept regardless of promises. oh you say universal health care tax? whats the overhead for that? too much...
In reality its better you save your money in gold us coins or silver instead of paying insurance or obama tax plan or social security//. for every $1.60 you put in to ss you get .50¢ back... not a good social policy if you ask me. earlier you start the better. they dont teach you that in school...
- mantrakid0
i dont understand how gold is going to be the saviour if the economy crashes. If I have goods that others need to stay alive i sure as fuck am not taking useless shit-ass gold for it.. give me a gun if you want my potatoes.
- < Are you serious?nb
- You people watch too much TVTheBlueOne
- To be fair, if the economy really tanks, how do you expect to convert your gold into any kind of useful currency?aaux
- pay for things in chunks of gold.ribit
- utopian0
^^^
If the economy crashes, sinks and or implodes...
Have fun attempting to retrieve your gold from the government, bank vault, etc... And if you are the "stash the gold in the mattress" type, have fun trying to melt your gold bullion into smaller increments for trade.
- yurimon0
Us gold or silver coins or "junk silver" back in the day like before 1965 american coins were silver. like quarters and dimes. etc. 90 % silver.
The problem in thinking about gold silver is that paper currency is what fluctuates in price losses value not gold, silver. You can buy the same thing for 1oz gold going back as far as roman empire. This is fact because of records that romans kept. Today you for 1oz us gold coin you can buy a suit and nice shoes. in roman times you could buy a toga and shoes. same thing.
Intention for us to use gold and silver is, it is a solid foundation for transactions. harder to over produce supply and demand like you can with a printing press. Historically societies that used gold, silver flourished and those on paper currency collapsed because the drive to over print and over spend money was to great of a force.
Early colonial script was paper and it collapsed. plus paper money when printed from a central bank is theft. because fed is a private bank and they create inflation. it benefits gov and those who spend the money first. for a worker its a tax that steals a percentage of your labor. Think about it. If you had a private press that makes money from nothing, you will end up buying up everything including presidents. so this is another aspect of our problem that is never discussed in any debate...
- utopian0
If and when the U.S. economy does collapse, we will see how many of those: Teaparty, anti-government, smaller government, no government Republicans will either be: begging for government assistance, and or blaming the government for not showing up.
- TheBlueOne0
'Historically societies that used gold, silver flourished and those on paper currency collapsed because the drive to over print and over spend money was to great of a force."
Your lack of historical reality is showing. You know, because gold based societies never, ever, ever collapsed or had deflation or inflation runs. Except that everyone of them did. Repeatedly. Throughout history.
- their decline always occurs when they debauch the currency. so I dont what your talking about...yurimon
- And gold has never been debauched? Really? Read some history.TheBlueOne
- Yuri's view of history is unique to himself. He just adjusts it to fit whatever crackpot theory he's currently speweing.aaux
- yurimon0
If your self sufficient its not big deal. You can trade. it has nothing to do with political stereo typing. its just smart common sense. This isnt the only empire that ever collapsed.
Just look at a city like ny. Its basically a machine. eat individual has role in its gears for services. its complex. It like an organism. supplies, production, service are divided so if something happens that disrupts food, transportation or power. the city is useless. people get desperate. I seen people get nasty passing by a gas station before they put cops on watch because of shortage fears. were they teabagers? they had a survival instinct. so imagine this in nyc with a real survival situation. everyone turns to a teabagger?
If you have land. you have production control of the basics at least. if you stock up you can survive through times of shortages if it happens. Nothing political. just common sense.
The difference is weather you wait in line for hand outs and how long you wait or if you have a sense of control with what you stocked up. What do you prefer?
Waiting for a hand out with your family in huge line or having the fruits of your labor ready without going through the whole line shortage drama?
- TheBlueOne0
"If you had a private press that makes money from nothing..."
And assigning a "value" to a metal isn't creating value from nothing then? And while "over-printing" of money might indeed be an issue - one that can be controlled by the way - the problems with using a store of a particular metal which is limited in nature and can be hoarded and controlled - you seem to think the problems with that as a currency base either don't happen or simply can't happen because gold is you know made of austrian unicorn fairy rainbows.
- No gold needs to be processed it harder to over produce for obvious reasons.yurimon
- yes, and you are glossing over a) who controls the processing, and b) who can horde itTheBlueOne
- and somehow think either of those is somehow different and unable to be manipulated...TheBlueOne
- ..in the same way you shriek paper currency can be.TheBlueOne
- It's like the alcoholic telling the coke addict he has a problem.TheBlueOne
- gold is actually useful stuff you know.ribit
- TheBlueOne0
"The difference is weather you wait in line for hand outs and how long you wait or if you have a sense of control with what you stocked up. What do you prefer?"
Fuck it, go mongol. Get the big guns, the fast horses and just take things by force.
You gold bugs, austrian guys always think there is something magically about stores of wealth and ignore the role of violence in state coercion. Civilization has been about nomads vs. farmers since forever. Your perspective is narrow and your time horizon very, very short.
Paper money, and increasingly the electronic abstraction of paper money is the rule of the land now because the US, and Europe, wish it to be so because they control the tools of violence and coercion. If it suited them, it could be gold, or pebbles.
paper money is so 18th century really - we now have computers calculating the value of derivative stores of second order currency holdings and trading among themselves at light speeds based on algorithms no one really understands. The relation between that and whatever BS you say about 'paper currency' is sadly short of the whole picture and hundreds of years away from the actual territory.
As is our political structures. Stone age religions, 16th century statecraft, 20th century infrastructure and 21st century tech. We need to rethink things, not point to some magically "gold was used in rome and boy did they do great shit!" thinking.
- TheBlueOne0
"Waiting for a hand out with your family in huge line or having the fruits of your labor ready without going through the whole line shortage drama?"
You and what army? Really. This whole bullshit libertarian thing revolves around that somehow, YOU, magical you, will be able to stand alone against society with your personal sense of integrity and hard work and receive the just return value of your labor. You know, because YOU are a special snowflake.
What ensures that you receive this magical "fruit of your labor" exactly? You know, because a thousand generations of serf and slaves across myriad civilizations would really have liked to know the magical fairy dust you use to produce that while standing there on your own just sort of proclaiming it. It's magical thinking.
Your power to gain the fruits of your labor are in direct proportion to your ability to wield power and influence that makes it worth the interests of everyone involved that you get exactly that. You either have the big guns or the numbers. This standing out on the frontier with your pea shooter and your bag of gold basically, historically speaking, gets you an unmarked grave.
- yurimon0
I dont see anything magical about gold. You cant eat so its not only solution.
I see your point about history, blah blah.. The issue of how money is created and by who is an issue of who ends up with power.
Think what you want. I am sure the super rich have their own reserves of gold, silver and will not give it up as a foundation any time soon. Just because of masses are ignorant the basics doesnt change the fact that its only as good as the network or infrastructure flows smoothly.try transferring money when you internet is down. The point of having ability to be self sustaining is that if there are disruption in the system like no power or access to digital credits. your basically have a backup method that is universal.
nothing extreme like you make it out to be...and yes safety is an issue with shortages so when cops cant help its good to hold your own. thats a virtue anywhere you go from streets of the bronx to texas.
- yurimon0
Fruits of your labor is when you own your own labor and have ability to own property. thats obvious. Yes your only as free as your ability to protect it. thats obvious. cards will fall where they may sort of thing.
- Yes, but how do you ensure it. It just doesn't happen.TheBlueOne
- You do the best you can. Thats why you have the 2nd Amendment and Militia as a right.yurimon
- you'remonospaced
- *facepalmTheBlueOne
- sine0
you're a liberal, pretending to be right wing for the laughs, yeah?
'cause everything you post is funny...
- ukit20
Thanks yurimon. When the coming financial global apocalypse occurs, I will refer back to this thread
- TheBlueOne0
The coming financial collapse will not look anything like what anyone thinks it will. Of that, you can bet on.
The same way the collapse of Rome wasn't the ending of civilization, although it was the end of Rome. Shit just got...different. Some sucked on the dustbin of history, others made out rather well.
- GeorgesII0
sorry Yurimon,
but the coming financial collapse was supposed to happen in 2000, then 2008, then 09, 10, 11, 12,
I give them till 2014... (jk)- Oh, it'll collapse. It just won't look like a collapse at the time.TheBlueOne
- The new $100 bill is actually $10 bill with an extra zero printed by mistake. referring to purchasing power.yurimon
- like a animal with clause trying to hold on. its sliding off a cliff slowly but surely.yurimon
- Yep, they will never collapse the dollar, they'll just keep printing money till it becomes worthless,GeorgesII
- 74LEO0
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