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- TheBlueOne0
'Historically societies that used gold, silver flourished and those on paper currency collapsed because the drive to over print and over spend money was to great of a force."
Your lack of historical reality is showing. You know, because gold based societies never, ever, ever collapsed or had deflation or inflation runs. Except that everyone of them did. Repeatedly. Throughout history.
- their decline always occurs when they debauch the currency. so I dont what your talking about...yurimon
- And gold has never been debauched? Really? Read some history.TheBlueOne
- Yuri's view of history is unique to himself. He just adjusts it to fit whatever crackpot theory he's currently speweing.aaux
- whhipp0
Biden: Middle class 'buried' the last 4 years
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-5052…
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- TheBlueOne0
“Nazi memorabilia collector on smack supports Obama.”
"I would have said America wasn't ready for [a black president]. And I don't think they were, because they're trying to drag him down now. I mean, the poor fucker's only just gotten rid of all that George Bush shit that he left, or is trying to. And he's being stonewalled by the fucking Congress all the time. I don't know how he's gotten anything done. They should be glad. I mean the alternative is Mitt Romney. Please, please don't vote for Mitt Romney. Fuck him."
- 1 vote for lemmy, 1 vote for lemmy's mole.Douglas
- yeah now thats role model you can listen to lol...your all fckdyurimon
- He is not on smack.fisheye
- I prefer lemmy over a gun toting teabagger like you, yuri.aaux
- the "faux" headline was a joke. How Fox would frame it.TheBlueOne
- yurimon vs. lemmy? bring it onTheBlueOne
- Henry Ford supported Hitler but I dont see anyone not buying Ford for that reason.Dillinger
- neight0
People who believe in http://pinterest.com/n8hackstock…
- get your spam out of this respectable conversation.whhipp
- yurimon0
If your self sufficient its not big deal. You can trade. it has nothing to do with political stereo typing. its just smart common sense. This isnt the only empire that ever collapsed.
Just look at a city like ny. Its basically a machine. eat individual has role in its gears for services. its complex. It like an organism. supplies, production, service are divided so if something happens that disrupts food, transportation or power. the city is useless. people get desperate. I seen people get nasty passing by a gas station before they put cops on watch because of shortage fears. were they teabagers? they had a survival instinct. so imagine this in nyc with a real survival situation. everyone turns to a teabagger?
If you have land. you have production control of the basics at least. if you stock up you can survive through times of shortages if it happens. Nothing political. just common sense.
The difference is weather you wait in line for hand outs and how long you wait or if you have a sense of control with what you stocked up. What do you prefer?
Waiting for a hand out with your family in huge line or having the fruits of your labor ready without going through the whole line shortage drama?
- TheBlueOne0
"If you had a private press that makes money from nothing..."
And assigning a "value" to a metal isn't creating value from nothing then? And while "over-printing" of money might indeed be an issue - one that can be controlled by the way - the problems with using a store of a particular metal which is limited in nature and can be hoarded and controlled - you seem to think the problems with that as a currency base either don't happen or simply can't happen because gold is you know made of austrian unicorn fairy rainbows.
- No gold needs to be processed it harder to over produce for obvious reasons.yurimon
- yes, and you are glossing over a) who controls the processing, and b) who can horde itTheBlueOne
- and somehow think either of those is somehow different and unable to be manipulated...TheBlueOne
- ..in the same way you shriek paper currency can be.TheBlueOne
- It's like the alcoholic telling the coke addict he has a problem.TheBlueOne
- gold is actually useful stuff you know.ribit
- TheBlueOne0
"The difference is weather you wait in line for hand outs and how long you wait or if you have a sense of control with what you stocked up. What do you prefer?"
Fuck it, go mongol. Get the big guns, the fast horses and just take things by force.
You gold bugs, austrian guys always think there is something magically about stores of wealth and ignore the role of violence in state coercion. Civilization has been about nomads vs. farmers since forever. Your perspective is narrow and your time horizon very, very short.
Paper money, and increasingly the electronic abstraction of paper money is the rule of the land now because the US, and Europe, wish it to be so because they control the tools of violence and coercion. If it suited them, it could be gold, or pebbles.
paper money is so 18th century really - we now have computers calculating the value of derivative stores of second order currency holdings and trading among themselves at light speeds based on algorithms no one really understands. The relation between that and whatever BS you say about 'paper currency' is sadly short of the whole picture and hundreds of years away from the actual territory.
As is our political structures. Stone age religions, 16th century statecraft, 20th century infrastructure and 21st century tech. We need to rethink things, not point to some magically "gold was used in rome and boy did they do great shit!" thinking.
- DrBombay0
Romney was having fundraisers in HK and Israel.
//I am sure every donation was from an American citizen...
- TheBlueOne0
"Waiting for a hand out with your family in huge line or having the fruits of your labor ready without going through the whole line shortage drama?"
You and what army? Really. This whole bullshit libertarian thing revolves around that somehow, YOU, magical you, will be able to stand alone against society with your personal sense of integrity and hard work and receive the just return value of your labor. You know, because YOU are a special snowflake.
What ensures that you receive this magical "fruit of your labor" exactly? You know, because a thousand generations of serf and slaves across myriad civilizations would really have liked to know the magical fairy dust you use to produce that while standing there on your own just sort of proclaiming it. It's magical thinking.
Your power to gain the fruits of your labor are in direct proportion to your ability to wield power and influence that makes it worth the interests of everyone involved that you get exactly that. You either have the big guns or the numbers. This standing out on the frontier with your pea shooter and your bag of gold basically, historically speaking, gets you an unmarked grave.
- yurimon0
I dont see anything magical about gold. You cant eat so its not only solution.
I see your point about history, blah blah.. The issue of how money is created and by who is an issue of who ends up with power.
Think what you want. I am sure the super rich have their own reserves of gold, silver and will not give it up as a foundation any time soon. Just because of masses are ignorant the basics doesnt change the fact that its only as good as the network or infrastructure flows smoothly.try transferring money when you internet is down. The point of having ability to be self sustaining is that if there are disruption in the system like no power or access to digital credits. your basically have a backup method that is universal.
nothing extreme like you make it out to be...and yes safety is an issue with shortages so when cops cant help its good to hold your own. thats a virtue anywhere you go from streets of the bronx to texas.
- yurimon0
Fruits of your labor is when you own your own labor and have ability to own property. thats obvious. Yes your only as free as your ability to protect it. thats obvious. cards will fall where they may sort of thing.
- Yes, but how do you ensure it. It just doesn't happen.TheBlueOne
- You do the best you can. Thats why you have the 2nd Amendment and Militia as a right.yurimon
- you'remonospaced
- *facepalmTheBlueOne
- sine0
you're a liberal, pretending to be right wing for the laughs, yeah?
'cause everything you post is funny...
- teh0
Was it just me or did Obama totally agree with Rmoney on Oil, drilling, gas and coal?
- well, if you accept that Romney was outright lying, then it's not just you ;)monospaced
- yes like drill more, keystone pipeline natural gas coal bl blahteh
- He did. Both these guys are owned by the elites you know. It's just managerial style really.TheBlueOne
- ukit20
Thanks yurimon. When the coming financial global apocalypse occurs, I will refer back to this thread
- TheBlueOne0
The coming financial collapse will not look anything like what anyone thinks it will. Of that, you can bet on.
The same way the collapse of Rome wasn't the ending of civilization, although it was the end of Rome. Shit just got...different. Some sucked on the dustbin of history, others made out rather well.