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- set0
When I lived at home with my Mum we had a cat called Ollie. I used to get weed off a bloke who lived opposite who had two (illegal) pittbull dogs.
I got a call from a friend, who miraculously happened to be walking by my house as it happened, saying that my cat had just been killed by a dog. He saw it rip it apart.
I came rushing home to find my lovely little Ollie ripped to pieces in our front drive.
- not sure how relevant this is, however, lol.set
- I guess my point is that it could have just as easily been a dog. ...set
- child, could have easily been a child I mean haha. You don't have to worry about cats killing kids.set
- I watched a pack of Jack Russells rip apart my kittens when i was 6 or so and lived on a farm.detritus
- harshset
- let's cuddleset
- jesus. both horrible things to see :S especially when a kid!23kon
- monospaced0
I'm voting for whomever is for more strict cat control regulations. The killing has got to stop somewhere. Can you believe they let these "animals" on planes?
- ukit20
- just two generations for a wild wolfmonospaced
- *frommonospaced
- ukit20
Dogs are the real threat. It's only through domesticity that we have kept them separated from their natural behavior as vicious pack hunting killing machines.
- monospaced0
Growing up we didn't even feed our cats. They spent a large majority of their lives outdoors, catching whatever they needed to survive. They'd leave us treats sometimes like hearts and livers. I can't imagine they impact the environment in some kind of harmful way, or that they're the reason behind a global decline in bird species though.
- Humans pollute and gentrify thousand of acres but surely are the cats the ones to blame for declining bird speciesmaikel
- drgs0
less text , more pictures
- maikel0
C'mon folks.
Cats have been abundant pretty much everywhere for quite a while.
Having a pet cat means that are probably fed and eventually sterilised... that surely helps to REDUCE the amount of cats with nothing more interesting to do than finding some food (as in killing a bird or something) or reproducing...
- set0
It's a fair point. I guess I just feel that there are so many other more pressing issues when it comes to humans and the decline of natural wildlife that to talk about domestic cats seems a little futile and meagre.
It's something i'd like to have a look into when not at work as I don't have any idea about figures, but we've had millions of cats in the UK for at least a hundred years... (?)
Are there serious problems with the decline of mice? Birds?
- monospaced0
Damn, human lives are "artificially supported" if you use your logic too, and we have an unhealthy effect on the otherwise natural wildlife.
- Did you miss the bit about animal-lovers and vegans, by any chance?detritus
- I'm just having fun in your little cat argument threadmonospaced
- I didn't miss that part. I also struggle with the argument. Carry on.monospaced
- ‘Little’, eh? Bless, you're so sweet when you're condescending.detritus
- I try to be. ;)monospaced
- detritus0
if you wwere Britain's only cat owner, Set, I doubt I'd care much.
Given that there are 10m+ cats in Britain and given that their existence is entirely artifically supported, it strikes me as very obvious they're going to have an unhealthy effect on the otherwise natural wildlife.
- detritus0
"You don't *honestly* and seriously believe that cats decimate the local wildlife, do you? "
erm... well, no - I don't 'believe'* that at all, it's just what I think. I've been banging on about for years about this and so it's is somewhat behind my intent in posting the above here.
I've had cats around me my entire life and watched the little fuckers maul anything they can - I've never found it much of a stretch of the imagination to extrapolate that to a national impact.
*shrugs*
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* 'belief' appears to be a polar construct outwith the credible ambitions of scientifically-literate, correct-thinking men - at least if the recent Mars Science Laboratory thread is to go by.
- set0
Cats have been our pets for thousands of years. Who's to say that if all cats were gone we wouldn't be overrun with mice, rats, bird, lizards etc..
You don't *honestly* and seriously believe that cats decimate the local wildlife, do you?
- nomonospaced
- killing cats caused the black plague in the 1400s.zarkonite
- If you're a vegan you might have reason to say "ew". Otherwise, consider how many more animals humans kill.CyBrainX
- detritus0
If you own cats and are happy to have them decimate your local wildlife, then I have nothing to come at you with, Set. I can merely disagree with you.
If, on the other hand, you're an vocal friend and lover of all of God's creatures or a vegan who wouldn't dream of hurting a sentient being, yet have a curiously convenient blindspot where your fwuffy wittw fwend is, then I'm going to come at you with a spade then shit down your neck.
- maikel0
Cats (like other animals) kill other animals. It is, as detritus pointed, normal.
That is why people shout "you are an animal" to murderers and other things that kill.
Nobody gives a shit about frogs, and they kill plenty of bugs - fucking cruelty that is, aye?
- calling a murderer an animal is degrading to animals.zarkonite
- monospaced0
- and people paid money years to watch these things burst into song?CyBrainX
- randommail0
Better than dogs who take a dump and then look up at you like, "well what are you waiting for, pick that shit up... bitch."
- They fucken do, don't they ?mikotondria3
- They didn't do it first time, they do now because it's routine.MrT
- set0
So your point is that it's an artificially created relationship as opposed to there not being a relationship from the cats point of view further than getting shelter and food.... ?
- detritus0
My point.problem with this is the cognitive dissonance of 'animal lovers'. I feel the same with vegans who own cats — it's that willfully ignorant blinkered outlook that seperates the substance of their belief from their immediate wants.
I actually really like cats, but I'd never own one because it's an artificial relationship that would merely satisfy my own desires over that of others, including the cat's.
- “I actually really like cats” lol, what a wet rag.detritus
- 23kon0
Actually, cats just do what they're supposed to do.
+1Cats killing little birds, lizards or vermin is certainly better than dogs going around attacking humans.