Sagmeister Walsh
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- ben_4
Personally I'm glad you did, i_monk.
It's funny, there's this real sense that some of you feel like she's undeserving of where she is today, as if she stole something from Stefan.
Your only rationale is that she's a woman and uses her image to get where she is. There's been literally zero consideration for her success outside of that lane and that any legitimate success is due solely to Sagmeister's legacy, some of you even going so far as to act like you have some insider knowledge into the situation.
It's kinda sad to see it, though it makes sense who the bs is coming from. Fuck it, I miss newstoday.
- I wish her all the success possible. The whole discussion was based on her self-absorbed, narcissistic endless self-promi antics.NBQ00
- I must confess, I'm somewhat of a slut. I'm approaching having sex with the 100th woman in my life so far. Luckily no STD's, I was mostly careful.Fax_Benson
- NBQ, yeah it's clear that's what you made it about, but the conversation wasn't started that way.ben_
- fate3
Deathboy, exactly.
Anyone that owns their own studio or agency knows they have to be their own best salesperson. Especially if your name is on the door.
Their is no humility or being humble. Their is no “letting the work speak for itself” because clients often can’t differentiate.
A client wants a relationship and to trust that they chose the right firm. The V.P. of Sales or the CMO wants to convince the CEO and CFO that they made the right decision hiring &Walsh and to trust them. Partially that trust is built from the logical side (ROI, KPIs, SOQs, responding to RFPs, pricing) but it’s also largely emotional.
Every good salesperson knows that. Many of you don’t, because you’ve never been in that position and haven’t had that responsibility to work at that level.
- i can respect a great used car salesmen. it doesn't mean I buy what they're selling. but don't underestimate people with humility or humbleness non trenddeathboy
- chasers. she can "instagram influencer" fakeness all she wants to pay the mortgage better than others, but at the end of the day it fakedeathboy
- again i don't know who was keeping their lights on since I didn't see much paid work. and i think the hype caught up. curious if lack of funds is the causedeathboy
- for the rebrand. typical when shit declines. what point is leaving when things are successful?deathboy
- terrible derivative brand style but great case study and fluff to clearly drive this interest and concerndeathboy
- All design is fake. We are creating and shaping perceptions. The only requirements in life are to shit and die, the rest is optional.fate
- i do say its weird you agreeing. i disrespect todays "game" full heartedly for said reasons, but you are happy i agree at the success of it.deathboy
- There is no such thing as “fake design” or “real design”, we are all a bunch of con artists. Some of us are just more honest with ourselves.fate
- maybe im old and disregard todays "metrics" and hotness. one thing i know is fundamentals will outlast trendsdeathboy
- If lack of funds is the cause then it would be rather expensive to do such an extensive rebrand and pay rent in NY as well as get all the 20+ employees over.NBQ00
- But yes I don't see really quality clients either with all that hype.NBQ00
- i always ask new clients on brand wether you expect the brand to drive sales or actual performance. some prefer brandingdeathboy
- and i find those clients I dont stick with long time, but those that more communicating their sell points stick with medeathboy
- its just a different set of values and gambling on what sells and resonates.deathboy
- i typed that with no refresh...deathboy
- Dude, quit adding notes and just make a new post like a normal person. 10 notes??fate
- design isnt fake. its arbitrary. eye of beholder. and design i think is more specific to utility than art.deathboy
- i can tell you the design of opera mail vs thunderbird is not fake. for my purposes opera design works. that isnt the same for othersdeathboy
- but fake is not a good word for us english language description. nbq00 never underestimate loansdeathboy
- hell companies have gotten 12 billion without showing profit. just wondering if it was money giving why change it?deathboy
- i like notesdeathboy
- she is a really good used cars saleswomanutopian
- cannonball19781
Is Sagmeister still collecting a percentage? If not, that's just beta as fuck.
- her unwillingness to let go of the "&" shows how dependent she is on his name. obviously no longer allowed to use it to promote herself, she's clenching the "&"imbecile
- Bet Sagmeister gets royalties from that "&" usage forever, would be a smart move, the rest of the identity is Regular, not Bold...grafician
- it would be interesting to know what is going on behind itimbecile
- How would we know their partnership contract?omahadesigns
- ahaah grafician :D
just get the corp infos?
Sagmeister fucked an interns dog, they found out because it was on cam
nothing happened, just people get old...sted - industries change, and smart people let young ones prevail.sted
- Never understood why he partnered with her. No, they didn't have sex, I know from sources. He was like engaged at that time and she had a bf.NBQ00
- Just don't get it why he would want to associate with some graphic designer that just started out. He's a legendary designer. It cheapened his image.NBQ00
- Maybe finally it dawned on him that this candy commercial style she's doing is not what he wanted after all.NBQ00
- It would make sense if hes reaping 10-20% off her back as a silent partnet while at the same time disassociating himself from hercannonball1978
- fate2
"Comparing real sexual harassment and sexism to us talking about a designer and criticising her. Once again read imbecile's post."
-NBQ00
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"I hope [she'll be back next year same time to self promote more nude shots with] a full on porn coffee table book with all the girls there."
-Also NBQ00
- Sigh, dude. Irony, sarcasm and snarky comments ain't your forte, huh? Immediately ringing the SJW-Sexism-Women-Hat...NBQ00
- That second quote doesn't read like irony or sarcasm.noneck
- You really coming back with the "it's just a joke!!" shit?fate
- WTF! I can make edgy comments on a site, doesn't make me a fucking sexist in real life you idiot.NBQ00
- Snark, maybe. But it's shitty criticism that isn't really about the work.noneck
- whoa people, are we turning this into a social justice issue? on an internet forum no less?renderedred
- Social Justice Issue? It's called basic respect. And you wonder why there are so few female designers on QBN...fate
- Because you're turning into identity politics. Nobody here was bashing her because she's female. We never harassed shellie or seasea either on here.NBQ00
- You're the one accusing us of being sexist and comparing real life violent sexual harassers with comments on a forum, WTF.NBQ00
- Consider the possibility that you're being a creep, NBQ00. Use your creative powers and use some mental flexibility to see things from other's perspective.fate
- You're the same person that said "Good move firing them. Unacceptable behaviour."fate
- capn_ron2
I'm starting to like Jessica Walsh a lot more and you all a lot less!
- That's objectification capn, cut it out or I'll call our SJW police in you. fate, notype get ready to dox!!!robotron3k
- i'll dox for you. my name is Boobs McGee. Most people call me Boobs. But you can call me Boobs McGee.capn_ron
- robotron3k, no one's going to dox you. And you're sounding like a Trump supporter with the SJW shit.fate
- fate you haven't called me a brown Nazi, racist, mysogynist yet, you feeling ok??robotron3k
- I haven't been on QBN for years, catch me up. Is this your schtick now? This is how they let you act?fate
- You need a few more of the old gods to break your balls and call you out?fate
- @fate. He IS a trump supporter lolpango
- NBQ00-4
This is a discussion forum/ site. Why aren't we allowed to give our opinion? Do we all have to be ass kissers?
No I'm not bitter, nor jealous nor a woman hater. I actually love to see women be successful and even more so than men in any industry.
But usually I don't give a fuck about genders. It's about the person.
What bothers me about Jessica Walsh is not only her misleading claims that she founded the agency all by herself (she inherited it mostly via a legendary designer that she got associated with and where all her fame started from) but also that she uses her looks and very self-absorbed, narcissistic self-promo. If she's successful with it so be it. But we can still criticise her antics.
There are far more talented women out there that rarely get talked about but the loudest people get the spotlight.
- So can you start talking about those talented women who deserves spot light and stop giving &W spot light?pango
- fan of Yah Leng Yu and her studio:
http://foreignpolicy…dyspl - One or two posts seems like fair criticism. Several pages of comments, including repeatedly about her looks does come off as a bit obsessive, un4chanately.yuekit
- Also when I look at their site it comes across as heavily ironic. Like she is poking fun at how narcissistic society is. Did you miss that part?yuekit
- Where do you get that "ironic" impression? And I didn't want to post anymore but only because of fate and accusations of hating women.NBQ00
- bahaha #un4chanatelyshellie
- The whole site comes across as incredibly tongue in cheek. I mean they are selling their trash for $200 lol. Even the one everyone here criticized whereyuekit
- she is standing in front of a ridiculous stock image-looking 3D render background seems more like a parody than anything else.yuekit
- I'm not saying it's the greatest thing in the world, but if you really completely missed that aspect of it maybe you shouldn't be the one criticizing :)yuekit
- What does occasional jokes and fun work examples have to do with her constantly using her persona and looks for self-promo?NBQ00
- You asked where is the irony -- it seems kind of obvious there is a strong element of irony and self-parody in the entire brand and site.yuekit
- Including the constant use of her own image. That doesn't make it beyond criticism, but I find it weird that this needs to be pointed out to people who work inyuekit
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https://www.gstsuvid…gstsuvidhakendra - design and marketing.yuekit
- ^ lol. Good timing.yuekit
- lollll that timing.inteliboy
- LOL @timingrenderedred
- the incels branch of QBN is out of controlernexbcn
- Careful, it takes talent to get and stay in the "spotlight." That in itself is a highly competitive skill. Good technique but being a recluse is not all talent.BustySaintClaire
- omahadesigns2
- LOL very good!renderedred
- Also stock image bag.omahadesigns
- Seriously?Maaku
- That's hilarious.zarkonite
- colin_s1
what the fuck is up with you people? like i'm 36 and i thought y'all were my age or older for the most part. do naked women disturb you that much? sure it's a ploy but all of advertising is.
there have been so many other memorable and better rebrands that don't get nearly as much attention. i swear all you fucks care about is nudity. christ. sagmeister's original self-harm was far better than anything they've done since. this is window dressing for the helicopter parent generation.
- nbq1
BTW, I am "nbq" and NOT "NBQ00"...
I just wanted to make it clear!
There seem to be some confusion in that thread.
- ben_0
Baboon is a good illustration of where her weirdness kind of works.
https://www.underconsideration.c…
Feels inspired by Toilet Paper - https://www.toiletpapermagazine.…
- Yeah, more than "feels inspired".NBQ00
- Well Cattelan was accused of appropriating loads of imagery for the mag over the years as well, perhaps it's reciprocal.ben_
- Where in the article does it say that "she" designed and created the mark and or illustration?utopian
- At one time S&W had at least a half dozen designers or more working for them. Just sayin'utopian
- All the stuff you see there at S&W and &W is mostly done by other designers. She mostly does photo installations. You can see on her insta...NBQ00
- Those retro photo subject she does. Which kinda sucks. At least I'm not into that kind of 70's retro style.NBQ00
- That said nothing against her being just an art/ creative director but she isn't a good designer.NBQ00
- utop, I never claimed she designed everything, nor does it really matter. I worked for BMD, and guess what, he didn't design everything either.ben_
- in the absence of something to completely shit on, saying "the studio did the work" just seems like you're reaching, but hey at least this is about the design.ben_
- S&W has always been a photo studio, this is where their billing comes from I'm sure...robotron3k
- the A, N and the blue they're in remind me a lot of NIVEA. The overall color palette and type are niceimbecile
- fate2
Creative Review, a respected trade pub, calls out comments on this site as misogynistic.
This happened 7 years ago.
And somehow, in these intervening years...in light of the #metoo movement, Trump, Weinstein, Epstein, Louis C.K., on and on...
...you've managed to get worse?
- Wow dude I have no words for you. Comparing real sexism & sexual harassment & violence with bashing some designer and calling her narcissistic.NBQ00
- Creative Review, lol, fate print magazines died.robotron3k
- Well fuck off then.BusterBoy
- _niko4
this is great, we haven't had a good Brett Bashing in a while!
- Bennn2
Ok guys. I think we all get the point. Can we slow down a bit ? Its getting a little bit too much right now.
- scnd thatrenderedred
- my comics pictures below was intented to slow down the pace and close the case, seems like I failed.Bennn
- Unfortunately Bennn, I was hoping your fun post would close this thread for a while but 2 ultra-SJW's had to continue with dumb posts.NBQ00
- yah, it escalated quicklyrenderedred
- NBQ001
Thanks, utopian. Learned something new today.
- Utopian = NBQ00Poochie
- lol. I was also Chukkaphob apparentlyNBQ00
- Love armchair psychologists. Even if you're right, who cares?ben_
- aka 50% of generation Z on instagram.omahadesigns
- sted0
- "Perfection is boring" at the bottom :-)
Everybody talking about &Walsh now, she clearly knows how the game works.uan - i call bullshit, it will disappear after this lame hype. this isn't a question of perfection. we don't alter the aspect ratio of a symbol, that's a basic rule.sted
- @sted somewhere they said they designed a thousand ampersands or something like that, maybe this one is a custom "condensed" one?grafician
- I don't think so, it's more like a weak and bad representation of the message the message bellow.sted
- -the message ahah :Dsted
- Each ampersand is created for people and brands individually, I guess this is a skinny one for skinny one?robthelad
- What are you talking about sted? that skinny ampersand isn't the same as the big one, look at its form it's a different glyph. It's not distortion.zarkonite
- first one:
https://www.undercon…sted - zoom into that image, see how it isn't crystal clear like the others. with adjusted bevel and emboss and warpedsted
- my eye starts to bleed just looking at itsted
- Looks to me like a 3D shape rotated on a z-axis, the light is consistent. The ragged edges are classic low poly problems. Do you do any 3D? this wasn't a flatzarkonite
- asset that was warped/scaled. You can see some of the shape was hidden and some were revealed by the 3D rotation.zarkonite
- https://i.imgur.com/…
this? :)sted - There you fixed it! ;)zarkonite
- "Perfection is boring" at the bottom :-)
- Maaku0
What a bunch of haters, including myself. lol
- We're all self centered but nothing bugs me more than someone with an instagram full of photos of themself.omahadesigns
- I feel you, she definitely has an admiration for her own image. Just though tit was funny how we've been QBN'ing about it :DMaaku
- tit was funny, lolBennn
- average talent at best and
c cups...would not fuckutopian - just because of the c. ahahasted
- omahadesigns0
Don't forget the dating project she made where she dated another mediocre designer, which had its story sold for movie rights and a book was published.
- lol "another mediocre designer".NBQ00
- He does cute typography that looks like it belongs on Old Navy shirts.omahadesigns
- and he is gay? :Dsted
- https://www.tgoodman…omahadesigns
- Just looked at some of his work. Another designer that likes to doodle, oh-mah-gerd. and $45 for that poster? Ha.Maaku
- Another, grad from the school of narcissistic designrobotron3k
- Maaku yeah apparently that's the only thing most of his generation can put onto the table. nickelodeon generation designerssted
- colin_s0
i don't really know the history of walsh, but i did like sagmeister for a while. whatever.
granted this is my political side just getting into design again but it seems like the growing movement of design as art - and this rebrand launch is certainly a push in that direction - is a continuing trend of corporate sponsored creativity where, eventually, this shit will get into a museum because of "cultural impact" when really it's a goddamn promotional shoot for a logo (speaking of the ampersand).
the thing is it isn't bad, but when the entire endeavor is to focus on corporate clientele, the idea that you're anything other than a whore is kind of laughable. the sheen and makeup routine isn't anything new, agencies have done this in different capacities for years. it's kind of interesting she's using the whole nudity thing, but that's open for critique as well (i.e., is it a shield from criticism due to the nature of anti-feminist online troll types, etc.)
i dunno. it just bums me out this dumb shit is gonna end up in the moma someday. then again i'm in their collection too so there's no accounting for taste.
- Worst humble brag I have ever read. Jesus fucking christ.bumdrizzle
- You do realize that the Mona Lisa is just some rich guy's wife? You should study art history a bit more, most of the classics have a commercial genesis.zarkonite
- A lot of art is just networking. Lots of shitty abstract paintings or collages or sculptures made of trash make it in galleries.omahadesigns
- Most art is funded by other people and corporate installations have been there forever.omahadesigns
- Sounds pretentious to complain about a museum when they show such variety.omahadesigns
- If it's not corporate, there's no money.omahadesigns
- Maybe the MoMA doesn't matter then?ben_
- ^ that. Who says MoMA knows anything about taste?omahadesigns
- +1 colin_sfadein11
- fate-1
Hey Bennn and Krassy, we get it, you don't know how to be a part of this conversation.
Some of you need to grow a spine and start standing up for what's right.
Quick example — Sted posted over 1,000 words in the "blog" thread about having to fire 3 employees for sexual harassment. Sted even said he heard the "really unpleasant" comments detailing "asses slapped/fucked, tits size/banged, blowjobs" which he found unacceptable at the time.
But Sted didn't do anything about it because he thought "that it's better to shut the fuck up, listen, and keep my opinion for myself. Otherwise if I don't, I will find myself to be truly an outsider and lose touch with my male colleagues. My business partner comes from a different corporate culture where people are accepting or turning a blind eye above these things"
Now he's dealing with lawsuits, investor blowback, potentially monitoring all his employees and keeping video records of everyone's activities.
You really still fail to see how your behavior is a problem?
And the SAME PEOPLE that are acting like horny, bitter little boys in this thread are the same ones that could clearly see SOMEONE ELSE'S behavior and had no issue calling it unacceptable.
Why not apply these same principles to yourselves?
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"Good move firing them. Unacceptable behaviour."
NBQ00--
"What began it is people who did not speak up because they felt powerless. Honestly the HR Dept needs to be looked at and all initiatives come from there."
robotron3k--
"Yes I'm sure you feel responsible but there needs to be a culture shift. Cameras are not cops, each person needs to feel part of the whole. Gluck"
robotron3k- +1noneck
- I shouldn't call this behaviour "incel" because that's not accurate. But I've become increasingly offended by the attitudes I've seen here.noneck
- You can't be serious dude. SMHNBQ00
- There's too much really sexist, edgelord shit in here, and I'm not comfortable staying quiet about it anymore. Silence = acceptance.noneck
- Comparing real sexual harassment and sexism to us talking about a designer and criticising her. Once again read imbecile's post.NBQ00
- The problematic stuff isn't criticism about her WORK, it's about her GENDER. I agree that the work is a bit shit. Not my cuppa.noneck
- fate and notype, you angry guys are represent all that is wrong in the work, social justice warriors who are afraid of language.robotron3k
- fate, i was just trying to put some smiles in here. I totally agree with what you're saying, I even regret some comments I've made ealier in this thread.Bennn
- fate & notype are Doomers... https://youtu.be/Aaz…robotron3k
- @fate why are you dragging me into this? lolKrassy
- @fate I do know how to be part of a conversation and do have my own opinions, but maybe perhaps maybe I was too busy or not interested. Chill, bro!Krassy
- NBQ00-2
These are hilarious and cringeworthy. I pity her husband (call him instagram-husband). He's nowhere in the photos but behind the camera taking fashionable pics of her jet-setting around the world.
Her separate fashion & travel instagram for even more narcissistic needs: https://www.instagram.com/theoth…
Does she think she's fucking Gigi Hadid? I guess she has an apartment just for clothes, bags and shoes.
- Narcissist, know thyself.Nairn
- NBQ00, you sound very obsessed by her.
You might need some consulting at that point.
Cheersnbq - She ain't gonna be your 101, yo.Nairn
- lol nairnfadein11
- Dumb hat and glasses,omahadesigns
- omfg! people likes to put on fashionable clothing and take photos!?!??! how dare she!!pango
- just actually took a look at the IG. millions of lesser known people take the exact same photos. *shrug*pango
- Pango to her defenseNBQ00
- Wait wait wait. Let me find my shinny armour.
Ok I'm rdy.pango - Defense? Sure. All I did was pointing out it's something millions of people do on daily basis. But when she does it ohhhhh nooose, god forbid.pango
- Just admit you're her ass kisser now.NBQ00
- I would. Altho I still don't care about her career.pango