Trayvon Martin
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- ETM0
It brings up the question, if Zimmerman noticed Trayvon while he was on a trip to the grocery store, why did he have his gun? Does he keep it on his person? Does he stash it in his vehicle? What are concealed weapons laws like in Florida? Just because his gun was licensed, are you allowed to just walk around with one?
- FL: no to open carry.m Yes to travel carry, but must be in glove box
http://www.opencarry…locustsloth - though FL has concealed carry if certain criteria is metlocustsloth
- http://en.wikipedia.…locustsloth
- FL: no to open carry.m Yes to travel carry, but must be in glove box
- youngdesigner0
The comments on this video are pretty intense
- clownsGeorgesII
- valid points of course.74LEO
- Fucking idiots. Probably CIA plants.futuremongolian
- monkeyshine0
It saddens me that this tragedy has been politicized...it really shows our racist roots. Cygnus, you don't even seem to hear yourself: "...black people will protest, riot...They enjoy it apparently." You're a part of the problem, dude.
It doesn't matter if:
1. this kid was suspended for smoking pot
2. wore a hoodie
3. clocked ZimmermanThere were actually lots of 911 calls that night that all seem to bring Zimmerman into question (not to mention the girlfriend who was on the phone). This Zimmerman guy was wielding a gun, had no uniform on, and by accounts I've read had his own set of issues. I don't believe he set out to murder someone but the truth is he f*kd up.
- The police didn't even interview the girlfriend initially.Josev
- you're blaming Cygnus for black people's propensity towards rioting?lambsy
- wow. lights on but nobody's home.monkeyshine
- tredesigns0
i think ill start chasing white ppl and when they fight back i'll shoot them and claim self defense.
- _niko0
here's an even more up to date pic
- omg! he looks stupid.. i mean scary! SHOOT HIM SHOOT HIM!pango
- Deniusdigitdaily
- HA! i read Jenius. not so much. lolsea_sea
- Glitterati_Duane0
@ Utopian. Geraldo does have a good point. My parents used to warn me about not dressing "professionally" at work when I was kid because of the way black people are perceived. I still stick to that today. I wear a tie a lot in an industry where most of my colleagues dress far more casually. Part of the reason for that is because I like to dress that way but another part is that sadly my race lessons my credibility and I'm aware of that. On the other side, I grew up listening to hip hop and tend to dress like that in my down time. When I'm relaxing I should be able to wear whatever I want the same as anyone else. This shit has got to stop. I'm not breaking any laws so I refuse to change who I am because "society" is afraid of my race.
- <locustsloth
- A very fair and balanced response, unfortunately both sides play against it or use it their advantage when needed. Sad but true.utopian
- http://www.npr.org/2…melq
- ETM0
Regardless of what happened, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle against the 911 dispatcher's instructions, was the instigator/aggressor in the situation and decided deadly force against an unarmed person was the way to get out of any issues his confrontation resulted in. Arrest the bastard.
Stand your Ground law or not, it's the same as walking up to someone, starting a fight and shooting the guy cause he kicked your ass. That is not self defence. And in this case, I highly doubt the kid, who weighed 60lbs less, could defend himself regardless.
Now had the kid shot this Zimmerman, who was following him on the street and provoked an altercation without due cause, that would be more in line and spirit of the stand your ground law. Assuming he had no other course of action to escape safely.
- BonSeff0
i think they are also trying to figure out on the 911 call if the shooter called him a fucking coon or a fucking punk. but he yelled it crazy and sketchy.
- Dillinger0
A cop told me once "own a gun, and if you have to use it then don't leave any witnesses"
- A cop told me if someone is in your house, shoot them, then put one in the floor or ceiling after and say it was a warning.ETM
- I'm not shooting someone because they're stealing stuff, only if they're threatening to kill my family - am I alone in that ?mikotondria3
- ETM0
..."they just said there is no evidence in existence who started the fight..."
A man (regular citizen) leaves a vehicle (against Police request), takes his gun from his glovebox, approaches an unknown male and demands to know what he's doing in the community.
So when you leave a vehicle with a gun to confront a suspicious person you have no idea that things could go wrong?? Approaching a person while carrying or concealing a weapon is not confrontational? Please.
It's already been said he was not even an official part of the official Neighborhood Watch program, he just started his own in the community (and I am sure he did great things). But he is unclear on what the word 'watch' means and that the actual organization's philosophy is never to interfere.
Now, I would consider him leaving the vehicle with a weapon a proper action if someone's life was at risk (i.e. Trayvon was attacking a person, raping a woman etc.) but all he had was someone looking suspicious. Even if Trayvon was witnessed stealing, it was only property and no life was ever in danger until Zimmerman interfered.
Zimmerman created the situation that put his own life at risk and created the situation that forced him to kill a person.
Plenty of culpability there and deserves to be punished.
Do we know how well trained Zimmerman was with a gun, or how he reacts under pressure with it. What is he fired and missed and killed an innocent person, a kid, someone in their living room? There is SO much wrong with the events he chose to initiate on his own.
- CygnusZero40
Yep they just said there is no evidence in existence who started the fight, so how can you put a guy away for life if you dont know for sure he wasnt acting out of self defense?
- That's why they started at 2nd degree murder so that he can plea down to manslaughterlocustsloth
- not that he will, but i bet that's what they were hopinglocustsloth
- monkeyshine0
From Huffpo: "The murder charge indicates prosecutors plan to prove Zimmerman shot Martin with malice, though without premeditation. A manslaughter charge would have required prosecutors to prove only that Zimmerman acted unlawfully and with criminal negligence in shooting the teen."
I question whether they can prove malice, given what we've seen so far. Why didn't they just go for manslaughter and be done with it?
- malice will hinge on "coons" and the fact he went after him after the cops said not to.colin_s
- I'm not sure being racist equals malice in this case. He overreacted. Race was involved. Malice? I don't see it.monkeyshine
- Josev0
"He will easily get off. Wait and see. You cant put someone in prison when none of the witnesses actually saw anything. He's innocent unless there is hardcore proof he had intent to kill. Where are they going to find that?"
I just sat on a trial two weeks ago and did send someone to prison, even though none of the witnesses saw the actual crime happen (a stabbing). The defendant claimed that there was reasonable doubt but there was enough evidence that we could use inference in deciding that he was guilty.
- BonSeff0
this case is such a cluster. i really don't know how to feel about it. Since there were no witnesses, I kind of have a problem with the conviction of public opinion. Once it goes to court, as it looks like it is, the shoddy police work is really gonna play a factor. Really curious to see how this plays out once all the facts and arguments are presented.
- me too.monkeyshine
- no chance of a fair trial after all this hoo ha.ebertzjaw
- CALLES0
i would never trust a person that volunteers for neighborhood watch
- CygnusZero40
He will easily get off. Wait and see. You cant put someone in prison when none of the witnesses actually saw anything. He's innocent unless there is hardcore proof he had intent to kill. Where are they going to find that?
- intent to kill is not the definition of manslaughter.monkeyshine
- he will easily get off because he's white. let's be honest here.ohhhhhsnap
- CygnusZero40
He isnt going to jail because from the evidence that exists right now, there's nothing to charge him with.
And his lawyers said they are only quitting because they've lost contact with him. They said if he gets in touch with them and needs them, then they will be there, but they said he doesnt need them right now because he isnt being charged with anything.
- I call B.S. on that. I think there is plenty to charge him with and a jury should decide his fate.monkeyshine
- He will be charged ... Or will kill himself ...Ramanisky2
- hargbine0
being a fucking pussy and not owning up to the consequences of killing someone is one thing, but asking for donations and crying about it changing YOUR life?? WTF.
unbelievable.
what a pencil dick.
- just makes me want to punch him in the throathargbine
- you, me, the new black panthers (who has a bounty on his ass),... and soooo many othersohhhhhsnap