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UKV
- heard this before, nice.– Hombre_Lobo1/11
  Why's he got such a beef with advertising ? It's just like graffiti about stuff.– mikotondria32/11
  this stinks of bitterness over neving being accepted by the hi-brpw art community - and for good reason >– fadein113/11
  his works are simple visual puns and thus hold the same status as advertising/commerci... art >– fadein114/11
  as opposed to art– fadein115/11
  he worked in advertising; which kind of odd for a phantom anti-establishment sort of a graf legend– little_kev6/11
  this statement is great.. modern art is a disaster area. fuck it, just make it.– antigirl7/11
  faiden, he has been fucking accepted by the 'big fishes' any big modern collection will have a banksy– maikel8/11
  and you... antigirl.
  c'mon what is the last exhibition you have been to? maybe you are doing it wrong– maikel9/11
  wasn't talking about collectors - thats pure investment - was talking about the art establishment - considered lightweight art - which it is– fadein1110/11
  lightweight art - which it is– fadein1111/11
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Dog-earNov 30, 11, 11:05 a.m. – Permalink
ukit2
Art, like music, has splintered into a million different micro-scenes. Artists today are rewarded for pursuing only one certain niche, which can be compared to branding or marketing.
- true in a way.... and high or low art is more about posture and positioning than the work itself....– vaxorcist
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Dog-earNov 30, 11, 11:07 a.m. – Permalink
Miesfan
- that is another example of using new materials to express yourself :D– loool1/4
  that guy was very clever. his work is literally a pile of (canned) shit and it sold for millions. fucking visionaire.– maikel2/4
  visionary. it's spelled visionary.– stepson3/4
  used in a sentence: piero manzoni was a fucking visionary.– stepson4/4
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Dog-earNov 30, 11, 11:07 a.m. – Permalink
fadein11
turned into a good debate this - i probably jumped the gun a little at the start
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Dog-earNov 30, 11, 11:39 a.m. – Permalink
loool
Maurizio Cattelan said that his wish was to become a designer, but because he wasn't smart enough - he became an artist!
- different types of brains - don't compare... one solves problems the other creates problems– fadein11
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Dog-earNov 30, 11, 11:39 a.m. – Permalink
fadein11
I would never value Banksy's opinion of contemporary art - he has a bee in his bonnet because he has never been fully accepted by the highbrow (hat that word) art establishment. And to fair, for good reason, his work isn't exactly mentally challenging or orginal - just visual puns that have a lot in common with advertising/commercial art. I'm a little bored of him.
- you need to let go of your preconceived notions of acceptance.– idiots
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Dog-earNov 30, 11, 11:41 a.m. – Permalink
Miesfan
A distinguishing feature of art isn't money. Art transcends his time. A work of art can be "read" out of time in which it was created. Enjoyed, admired. In fact, those are the museums, items stolen and displayed by the first world.
Now, none of this matters ...only $.
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Dog-earNov 30, 11, 11:51 a.m. – Permalink
antigirl
my friend said, art was the biggest scam ever created, after paper currency. i think he was right.
- get in on the scam ladies and gents– idiots1/3
  it's a great one.– antigirl2/3
  until the music stops playing... then its like Bernie Madoff's world
  – vaxorcist3/3
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Dog-earNov 30, 11, 11:55 a.m. – Permalink
loool
^ I know that I feel stupid after some shows...and that is a correct fact, it is not a scam for sure...
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Dog-earNov 30, 11, 1:48 p.m. – Permalink
stepson
People are getting way too romantic about this. The art establishment aint wall street. There's no round table conspiracy here, just a vague assembly of historians, curators, critics and collectors who's aggregate attention decides who makes it and who doesn't. Generally they get it right, elitism is a good thing, artists are more upwardly mobile than ever and banksy sucks.
- << this– fadein111/5
  you have shown to know literally NOTHING of modern arts market.
  – maikel2/5
  the fuck are you talking about?– stepson3/5
  I'm talking about your rather naive vision of what the art market is– maikel4/5
  This comment has nothing to do with the art market. Read the rest of the thread if you're still struggling.– stepson5/5
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Dog-earNov 30, 11, 8:08 p.m. – Permalink
fadein11
there's a simple solution if you hate contemporary art or do not see its value - don't look at it. Its hardly pushed in your face.
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Dog-earDec 1, 11, 1:57 a.m. – Permalink
maikel
I am really happy to see some meaningful discussion in QBN other than cheap ugs or nikes.
Banksy has been accepted by the establishment, he sells for shitloads and plenty of collectors consider him a must have. Whoever got hold a limited print of him for £200 about 10 years ago in Bristol, is sitting now in a nice pile of money. So if you have some cash on you, maybe you'd be better off checking CSM or RCA final shows and buying something new (like Saatchi Gallery normally does) that buying that odd lottery ticket.
And to stepson, there's a reason why reasonably prestigious universities are giving seminars in the many contemporary art markets... mostly because it is a bit like wall street. Art is one more commodity in a balanced wealth portfolio and many bankers will buy art just to impress other well earned people to compensate for their lack of taste. Russian market is a good example of it. While it is elitist in terms of the money the collectors manage, certainly is not famous for their radical views or sophisticated taste.
- establishment does not equal collectors - you will see a lot of fashionable crap in collections– fadein111/3
  establishment = museums, journals, critics, broadsheets... its throwaway art mate - will not stand the test of time– fadein112/3
  you are obsessed with money mate - start appreciating good art more– fadein113/3
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Dog-earDec 1, 11, 3:05 a.m. – Permalink
loool
this can disturb:
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Dog-earDec 1, 11, 4:23 a.m. – Permalink
stepson
Maikel, you missed my point entirely. The thread had descended into an embarrassing anti-intellectual circle jerk, so the wall street comment was intended to mock those who feared the art world.
But thanks for tipping me off about rich people buying art, that was a riot.
- haha - i know - he hasn't understood the context - and seems worryingly obsessed with commercial value of art– fadein11
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Dog-earDec 1, 11, 4:43 a.m. – Permalink
maikel
So stepson, what was your point, if any?
- i'm sorry which reasonably prestigious university did you say you went to?– stepson1/3
  I didn't say. IUNA, Palermo University, City University London and Durham University.– maikel2/3
  Anyway, I was referring to the likes of Sothesby, Christies and the joint courses they dictate with LBU, UAL and RCA– maikel3/3
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Dog-earDec 1, 11, 5:14 a.m. – Permalink
phatlee
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- the YBA's.... she's trying to channel Andy Warhol... but she sounds like a schoolkid with a trust fund....– vaxorcist
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Dog-earDec 1, 11, 5:19 a.m. – Permalink
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Dog-earDec 1, 11, 5:35 a.m. – Permalink
GeorgesII
I just made my first piece,
- so true, so old, so illiterate– stepson1/4
  you're ffs– scarabin2/4
  it makes you stop, think and talk,
  so it's art,
  I won– GeorgesII3/4
  Your just have internet access.– digitdaily4/4
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Dog-earDec 1, 11, 5:37 a.m. – Permalink
vaxorcist
There is a sausage-factory thing going on in the art world.... I've learned to stop paying attention to the horse race politics, to the egotastic promotional randomness... and just look at the work itself, stop worrying about the process and people....
I've seen amazing work by artists who, being visual artists, are often almost completely unable to write or speak well... and hey, why the hell should we expect them to write or speak well.... I've learned to often ignore the artists statements and just look at the work!
I've seen mediocre work by artists who can speak and write very well....artists statements more interesting than the work itself sometimes.... too bad their sausage factory is so gleaming and perfect but the product is so mediocre....
- << seen this happening. a lot.– maikel
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Dog-earDec 1, 11, 6:26 a.m. – Permalink
vaxorcist
long... but very interesting towards the end....
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