RIP Mobile Flash
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- obsolete0
come on....
jobs is dead.... flash is dead.... the internets is deads...
who cares!
flash can export for the ios thingy...
the future will see the demise of the browser... everyone will have "pre-approved" applications....
I guess that it is the path that Jobs paved!
You won't be able to "surf" the web.... I guess that I see a new kind of censorship coming.... the internet won't be a free place anymore!
or am I being a pessimist?
- vaxorcist0
Everyone can now throw their BETAMAX VCRs in the trash....
Some people memorized huge amounts of flash quirks, and made a living at it ..... >>>> Betamax skills
Some people learned object oriented programming and/or how to do motion graphics >>> Transferrable skills
wonder where all the fire comes from???
- So there's a new video recording format called "Transferrable" (sic)?ORAZAL
- instrmntl0
We're building something dope for Nike that could never be done in HTML5.
- ooh, a new super-parallax site. sick brah!lvl_13
- ;Dlvl_13
- 2 million dollar shoot in LA just for web.instrmntl
- never say nevercaseyz
- oooh dollar spend - it must be creative and innovative - pah!fadein11
- A flash site for nike, WHO GIVES A SHIT! really?? no one cares about flashy web experiences anymoreanimatedgif
- other than the cunts selling them, NO ONE ACTUALLY USES YOUR SHITanimatedgif
- ORAZAL0
Flash killed the animated gif
- mightyj0
good info from adobe:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flas…
- mightyj0
also the gaming track for flash 11 with stage 3d looks promising:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flas…
- chrisRG0
Truth be told, before Steve Jobs thoughts on Flash, there were no hate on Flash. Fact.
What I dont get is the thing @georgers mentioned, what's with the hate? And it's been widely spread by some well known former Flasher's whose used to do tons of money with it, then suddenly started to hate all Adobe things.
- people have a slow memGeorgesII
- umn, there was plenty of hate for flash before jobs, but it was genrally hatred of animation on websites, splash pages and usability.kingsteven
- usability but jobs introduced this Flash vs open standards/ HTML5 excuse... even neilson wasn't that harsh...kingsteven
- after working on flash accessibility for two years i think neilson said something like "animation on websites is pointless".kingsteven
- ... pointless" - jobs was a smart fucker.kingsteven
- Truth is, people voice opinions as if they are talking on behalf of everyone. Fact.inteliboy
- jon_d0
parallax!
- manonthestreet0
Look it's quite simple. The mobile web is not the web.
New devices, new screen sizes, and the technologies are bound to change or at least change in the way they are applied.
I hate apps for mobile...those that I do download I use once or twice and then forget about. I am yet to stick with using an app over it's web site via my mobile browser [sans google gmail].
You can see that there is no comparison between HTML5/js and flash, but you cannot see that there is no comparison between the mobile web and a desktop/laptop experience.
New playing field = new rules = be flexible or become obsolete
- CyBrainX0
@vaxoricist Very good points about transferrable skills. However, at one point, the world adopted VHS instead of Beta and Beta people were rightly pissed because Beta was a higher quality format. You can argue, but Flash is in most cases a better solution than an undocumented spec that is slow to advance, harder to develop for and just requires more work with more creative limitations.
- VHS = 2 hour movie easier than Betamax... but BETA SP became News Camera Standard... long story...vaxorcist
- fyoucher10
Re: animatedgif @ banners
No one likes TV commercials, but channels still have them. Why? Because they pay the bills. Clients want them. Same idea behind banner ads. Plain and simple. Advertising. And the online advertising industry is a massive $30 billion dollar a year industry ($12 Billion probably just with the different types of banner ads -- video, rich media, standard, not including the rest of online advertising) and will probably double in a few years. Do you think building websites is that big? Not even close. Obviously, most users of the web don't want ads in their content but most of that content isn't going to exist unless something is getting paid to create it. And a lot of that generated revenue is coming from online advertising. Anything that increases sales for that matter.
@ no one clicks on them:
Getting folks to click on ads would be great but that's not entirely the purpose of them. They also serve to deliver a message or reinforce a brand, or experience.Yeah, there's a ton of shitty ads out there. But there's also quite a bit of good ones. Go to Bannerblog. Lots of great ones there.
Not sure what kinds of ads you've created but I personally have a lot of fun creating ads. They're fun simple quick projects.
To continue on with how this relates to Flash...if it's not going to be done with Flash, it'll be done with a different technology. Do you think anything will be different than how it is today.
- instrmntl0
hahah, parallax is where HTML5 is at.
- vaxorcist0
Sometimes the "Flash is Dead" thing is like eating a Bacon Sandwich at a PETA march and screaming "People Eat Tasty Animals"
Sometimes the "Flash is Dead" thing is like what a friend of mine when he was in high school.... he cross-subscribed a Hunter's Gun and Ammo mailing list to an Animal Rights Activist mailing list, so every message to one went to the other,mayhem ensued....
these days, technology has evolved to prevent cross-subscriptions like that...
- vaxorcist0
Sometimes the "Flash is Dead" thing is like eating a Bacon Sandwich at a PETA march and screaming "People Eat Tasty Animals"
Sometimes the "Flash is Dead" thing is like what a friend of mine when he was in high school.... he cross-subscribed a Hunter's Gun and Ammo mailing list to an Animal Rights Activist mailing list, so every message to one went to the other,mayhem ensued....
these days, technology has evolved to prevent cross-subscriptions like that...
- manonthestreet0
Did you know that Honey is actually bee vomit?
- fyoucher10
IMO:
I don't see desktop browsers dying anytime soon. Not everyone uses mobile to access the internet. There's always going to be folks at school who are on a laptop, or at a desk at work or school using a desktop. They're not going to pull out their tablet or phone just to search something on the internet. Have you ever tried doing something real productive on a mobile device? Yeah, maybe if you're editing your blog entries. So I don't see desktop dying. I see people having desktops or laptops for work or school for productive things, and mobile (either tablet or phone or some other future incarnation) for everything else (traveling, entertainment, etc). With that in mind, the desktop Flash plugin is already here (most everyone has it) and I don't see that dying off anytime soon as long as there are desktop browsers. I really don't see apps replacing browsers.I'm not entirely convinced Adobe will abandon it's mobile Flash plugin technology altogether either. Maybe they're just waiting for mobile hardware and batteries to get better, which will be soon, much sooner than the HTML spec being updated again. Mobile hardware gets better and better every month, just like how desktops became faster and faster around 02'-06'. They'll still keep creating API's for accessing mobile devices with AIR. Whenever mobile hardware becomes fast enough, I can see them totally coming back in and just making a mobile Flash plugin or possibly their own mobile browser (that would be something).
However, this is not to say that they also aren't in favor of HTML5 succeeding on the web. I think they're putting a focus on HTML5 for now, since it works on most mobile devices. I think the two technologies can live happily together, and think Adobe thinks the same. Let's face it. HTML takes waaaay too long to get updated with a new spec. That's what plugin technologies are good for, to do things that the native browser can't. I think Adobe is going to try (or should be) bridging the gap between HTML5 and Flash capabilities and make it easier to develop for both using one application or similar set of applications. Or possibly having one application that can export to both technologies (for what is common between the two tech's). Right now, we're in a transitional phase, but I don't think the transition will bump the other technology off, just adding onto.
Related to that...what a lot of people on here don't realize, is that there is an entire infrastructure already in place for online advertising. If you think the actual content, subscriptions is what's making most revenue for most sites, you're sadly mistaken. It's advertising, just like TV. Online advertising isn't going away. Right now that infrastructure is based on Flash technology. That infrastructure isn't going to change unless it's easy to implement into an existing site and the new technology that it replaces it with, becomes widely accepted. And then, on top of that, we're talking about changing that across the entire web. Obviously, it's likely that Flash won't be here forever. But until that online advertising infrastructure is changed (which can be a very long time), Flash will remain entirely relevant, even it it's being accompanied by HTML technology.
- Very good points here. I can't count how many times I email a link from my iPhone to view later on a desktop, sometimes it's not even flash.CyBrainX
- not even Flash I want to check on a large screen.CyBrainX
- < online advertising. My bread and butter. These sites will take ages to change. theyre still serving (max) flash 8 files.shellie
- not that I wont be making html 5 banners when the work comes in, but for now and for years to come, i'll be rendering flash 8-9 banners. -___-shellie
- flash 8-9 banners -____-shellie
- 3030
I agree with ernexbcn that desktop flash can turn laptops into a frying pans, but some people are overreacting saying that "flash is dead". The mobile version is dead, the desktop one is still around but in the decline. I am sure that desktop flash will be around for a while specially if you consider Adobe's air platform for building apps. What strikes me is the fact that Adobe wasn't able (or willing) to develop proper version mobile devices. For iPhone/iPad we have mobile versions of games like Need for Speed and that proves the fact that if put enough effort, you can develop a decent software.
