Circumcision
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- ZOOP0
^ they suck the blood after using the moil, to reduce excess blood loss.
coulda had a V8!
- GeorgesIV0
oooh google
- GeorgesIV-2
- awwww maaaan :/
dogearZOOP - i ain't even clickin' thathelloeatbreathedrive
- nopeGuyFawkes
- awwww maaaan :/
- youngdesigner3
Swedish and Danish medical associations call for a complete ban on ritual circumcisions
- sofas6
I get that parents who circumcise their baby don't usually do it to get off sexually (I assume most get off socially by conforming), but we are talking about a sexual organ with no consent given, so I think it at least borderlines sexual assault even if it is an indirect, assault by proxy, by a doctor who swore to do no harm.
There are much worse types of sexual assault, but still.. Also, this type will have physical effects for life (some claim psychological trauma too).
Sexual assault according to Wikipedia:
Sexual assault is a sexual act in which a person is coerced or physically forced to engage against their will, or non-consensual sexual touching of a person. Sexual assault is a form of sexual violence, and it includes rape (such as forced vaginal, anal or oral penetration or drug facilitated sexual assault), groping, child sexual abuse, or the torture of the person in a sexual manner.[1][2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se…Random people saying infant circumcision is sexual assault:
https://www.change.org/p/stop-th…
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/c…
https://menz.org.nz/2015/why-is-…Also see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et…BTW, one of the Jewish reasons is that it's done to make sex less enjoyable, same as female genital mutilation (in some cases):
"Maimonides (Moses ben Maimon "Rambam", CE 1135–1204), who apart from being a great Torah scholar was also a physician and philosopher, argued that circumcision serves as a common bodily sign to members of the same faith. He also asserted that the main purpose of the act is to repress sexual pleasure, with the strongest reason being that it is difficult for a woman to separate from an uncircumcised man with whom she has had sex.[90]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br…Also, to women saying that medicine is sexist towards them, I assume medicine is interested more in money than sex or gender:
In 2011, circumcision was one of the most common procedures performed during hospital stays in the U.S. There were approximately 1.1 million hospitalizations with a circumcision, a rate of 36 stays per 10,000 population. This was a decrease of 16% from 1997, when there was a rate of 43 stays per 10,000 population. It was the second-most common procedure performed on patients under one year of age.[22]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr…I don't mean to be an asshole, so correct me if you think i'm wrong (I don't assume to know it all), but I think you should avoid doing this to your babies. It's irreversible and usually unnecessary. If you already did it, you can apologize, we all make mistakes, this isn't the end of the world, you are probably a great parent and much worse mistakes could be made, explain your rationale and educate your kid not to do it to their future baby.
Some people try to restore their foreskin using different techniques, but I don't feel like getting into that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fo…- you put this much time and thought into your anti circumcision rant and start off by implying parents might do it for pleasure? gtfomonospaced
- i was sexually assaulted by this postGnash
- @Gnash #MeToo
@mono are the parents coerced, or is it something one must do?sofas - wow a lot of time and thought went into this. I think its abuse as well.mugwart
- it's not sexual assault, it's just wrong. Same with FGM.Gnash
- It is wrong. People will do anything to be the 'same' and 'conform'. It's terrible it's still a real discussion.formed
- Holy 4 year old thread, Batman!Akagiyama
- nobody circumcises to "get off sexually," and the idea that it's "wrong" is entirely just an opinionmonospaced
- It is there for a reason.ApeRobot
- The main argument in the U.S. when I was growing up seemed to be "it's normal." Now seems like more people question it which is good.yuekit
- cicumcicsion is wrong for girls but for some reason it's okay for boys. both are idioticscarabin
- ^ yup, it is "wrong". You are cutting away skin that's there for a reason.formed
- In your opinion.monospaced
- lol, right, I am also against tattooing/branding a newborn, although that can at least be partially reversed later one.formed
- I'd venture to say that most, if not nearly all, circumcised men are glad they are.monospaced
- Haha, well, they don't have much of a choice, now do they? And yet the numbers of circumcised kids is declining...so...formed
- It's not because they don't have a choice. It's because they like being circumcised.monospaced
- Dick cheese.severian
- LOL, you can really see that this sofas has some hang ups. Too funny.severian
- But yeah people are labelling way too many things sexual assault these days. It's just a weird (and totally unnecessary, IMO) religious custom.yuekit
- I wouldn't do it to my kids but ultimately probably doesn't make much difference in their life one way or the other as long as it remains normal.yuekit
- Now if you were the only person who was circumcised...then it would be really messed up :/yuekit
- I got off from having my kids circumcised. So did my wife, the nurse, and the doctor who administered it. Lol the things people get worked up about.OP31
- it's not a general practice in the UK but doesn't it have health benefits, i.e. not spreading the virus that can cause cervical cancer?fadein11
- I always presumed it was so common in US on health and not just religious grounds. I may be talking out of my ringpiece though.fadein11
- Easier hygiene and decreased risk of UTI and some STDs.OP31
- lol @ thissince1979
- your presumption is correct, fadein ... almost entirely for health reasonsmonospaced
- Nonsense. The only time it's applicable is if you are having unprotected sex all the time, which is stupid. It's post-rationalization...formed
- That might be true, but it's still the REASON it's so common in the US, and recommended by pediatric professionals.monospaced
- aside from inane religious ritual, the ONLY reason it's still common is that dad wants son to look the same. period.Gnash
- there's not one guy who promotes cutting that isn't cut himselfGnash
- You're right Gnash, I can't wait to remove my son's tonsils and wisdom teeth too so we can be even more alike!OP31
- ah, let the false equivalencies begin!Gnash
- Just being sarcastic since you already stated a "fact" that its the ONLY reason.OP31
- @Gnash, the medical community promotes it for health reasons, sorrymonospaced
- many mothers prefer circumcised penises and also want their sons to resemble their fathers, and it's not just an inane religious practice at allmonospaced
- chop away, then. mom's preferences are more important.Gnash
- just saying that it's not as simple as you make it out to bemonospaced
- it is, though. it's a non-therapeutic operation. it's about feels, not health.Gnash
- that's one opinion, but if you ask doctors who focus in this area, many would disagree and say it's about health, and that IS the reason in the USAmonospaced
- for example, I'm getting my son circumcised for health reasons, not for "the feels" as you so crudely and ignorantly put itmonospaced
- just like millions and millions of other parents in the US have for decadesmonospaced
- it's a religious / cultural practice in search of a “medical” justificationGnash
- mutilating a 100% functioning and healthy organ for the feels. the risks of not cutting are negligible compared to the risks of the choppingGnash
- studies showing some HIV transmission benefit in sub-saharan Africa have not been replicated in developed countriesGnash
- the only relevant risk a UTI -- and even this restricted to the first year of life and is easily treated with antibioticsGnash
- chopping without a valid medical indication needlessly exposes a healthy child to risk.Gnash
- sorry Monospaced. If a mum wants it cut because her husband has had it done is a cycle of abuse. I think the world needs to address this and start to healmugwart
- @mugwart, and you'd be 100% wrong, respectfullymonospaced
- mekk0
This thread.. People srsly
- sarahfailin4
there is just no need for it! your junk doesn't need any improvement.
the foreskin is supposed to be the most sensitive part of the penis. guess i'll never know!
i definitely would not circumcise my kids or anyone else's
- but, cunts with beards and silly hats know betterfuturefood
- Bearded sky wizard worshippers with really weird sexual hang-ups always know best.PhanLo
- It has nothing to do with religion, most of the time, and if one does it, that doesn't make them a "cunt with a beard"monospaced
- eh, whatevermonospaced
- Can't imaging God actually approving of this ... Rabbi passes over and he's there like "you did what to a small infant..."mugwart
- 100% god is up there masturbating to all this madness.PhanLo
- mono, but that's where it began. Now people do it to conform and be "normal", even though they are the minority in the world. It's a sad and 'tradition'.formed
- they do it for health reasons, too, and it is the majority in the USA stillmonospaced
- "health" reasons? Huh? That's nonsense too. Post-rationalizing something people do to conform to a perceived 'normal'.formed
- 58% in the US and, thankfully, on the decline. 25-30% world wide. 2% in Spain and Sweden, 1% in Japan.formed
- It's still the majority just like we have bible thumpers, etc., etc.formed
- So god who is the personification of perfection and created everything, fucked up on our penises requiring us to correct his mistake? How do religitards explain_niko
- This paradox?_niko
- a majority. that's the best metricGnash
- the majority may fool themselves into thinking they're doing it for health.Gnash
- but "many mothers prefer circumcised penises and also want their sons to resemble their fathers"
it's cultural and/or religiousGnash - The US appears to be Disneyland for adults.rabattski
- It's not cultural or religious for us. It's for health reasons. Just like millions of other people. Stop telling me my reasons aren't real.monospaced
- not saying they'r not real, they're just incorrect and misinformed.Gnash
- cut off healthy tissue that might one day fall prey to disease. what other susceptible part of the body gets removed at birth?Gnash
- The diseases in question are mostly rare in the developed world and are typically avoided by make simple behaviour choices.Gnash
- and they are otherwise treatable without surgery.Gnash
- thanks for your opinions, but my reasons certainly are not incorrect or misinformedmonospaced
- do you have a son?monospaced
- yup. that's why I know what I'm talking about. I researched the ass off this.Gnash
- Even one of the docs who wrote 'the' paper for the AAP say he did his son for religious reasons, not medical.Gnash
- "i had 3000 years of ancestors looking over my shoulder"Gnash
- your conclusions are incorrect because you're basing them 'reasons' that are incorrectGnash
- Thanks for your opinion.monospaced
- an opinion based on the science, not the feelsGnash
- also my opinion that we went to the moon, vaccines are beneficial, and water is made of hydrogen and oxygenGnash
- I understand that it's a difficult barrier to overcome. a highly charged topic that's very emotional, so it's difficult to think rationally about.Gnash
- it's charged because it's full of opinions, like yours, and like mine, and of those who are experts, and those who aren'tmonospaced
- Climate-change deniers say the same thing. it's just an opinion. (but it's not)Gnash
- the medical community is overwhelmingly against non-therapeutic circumcision, and that's based on science not opinions.Gnash
- The AAP's position has been obliterated by nearly every relevant medical communityGnash
- that's just a fact, not an opinionGnash
- thanks for the opinion :)monospaced
- yuekit2
Made the mistake of reading this comment from 6 years ago...FFS
- utopian3
UKIT BUMP
- OP311
This thread is the first shot fired of the war between the cuts and the uncuts. Conform! There can only be one!
- d_gitale0
It seems to me that circumcised guys try to defend it in order to compensate for the loss. They really don't know for what reason they have been mutilated. So in order to deal with it, it must be accepted as a good thing. Ah yes and of course health reasons lol
- Gnash5
President of Germany’s Paediatric Society:
“There is no reason from a medical point of view to remove an intact foreskin from underage boys or boys unable to give consent. ... The statement from the AAP ... has been graded by almost all other paediatric societies and associations worldwide as being scientifically untenable.”
- Gnash2
the Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists concluded—in another published critique—the AAP technical report is “epidemiologically incompetent and an embarrassment to the AAP.”
- Gnash6
Here is the conclusion reached by 38 authorities in child health and epidemiology from the UK, mainland Europe, and Canada in their public rebuke to the AAP in the journal Pediatrics:
“Only one of the arguments put forward by the American Academy of Pediatrics has some theoretical relevance in relation to infant male circumcision; namely, the possible protection against urinary tract infections in infant boys, which can easily be treated with antibiotics without tissue loss. The other claimed health benefits, including protection against HIV/AIDS, genital herpes, genital warts, and penile cancer, are questionable, weak, and likely to have little public health relevance in a Western context, and they do not represent compelling reasons for surgery before boys are old enough to decide for themselves.”
- UTI does not occur in 99.85% of circumcised infant males.
UTI does not occur in 98.5% of uncircumcised infant malesGnash - Girls have 10x the number of UTIs and no preemptive surgery is recommendedGnash
- is this a boner of contention for you?
sorry had to be done :)fadein11 - it's up there with FGMGnash
- if people really feel the need to mutilate their boys then currently it's their right to do so. just don't use 'science' as the reasoning.Gnash
- let's make penises whole againfadein11
- I must be missing something but how does removing the foreskin protect from STDs?yuekit
- Because isn't the normal means of protection to put something on your dick? Seems kind of backwards (although I'm sure there's some justification).yuekit
- joking aside I have always found it a little odd. And remember being shocked to discover it was a widespread procedure in the US (regardless of religion).fadein11
- @yuekit - some research says that uncircumcised penises can harbour a virus that causes cervical cancer in females. I do not know how reliable this is.fadein11
- evidence that cutting protects against STIs, is contradictory and inconclusiveGnash
- (there's a vaccine for the virus that causes cervical cancer available to both girls and boys)Gnash
- also, condom = no virusGnash
- "but vaccines"fadein11
- ^ exactly. same goes for the anti-vaxxersGnash
- I agree with you (for once) gnash. I think it is pretty horrific.fadein11
- haha. and it has to be over a dick!Gnash
- I know :)fadein11
- Lol both of yousfuturefood
- UTI does not occur in 99.85% of circumcised infant males.
- hotroddy3
Who here is counter-arguing the cards dealt to them?
- detritus8
I stand by the comment I made first time this thread came around.
Circumcision is an almost beautifully-devious form of cult lock-in — the most precious part of the ever-fragile male ego, irredeemably and permanently scarred to adhere to a social construct beyond the owner's ability to control.
As said here recently, it'd be one thing to circumcise a teen or an adult who has the power of choice, as part of their ascent into adulthood, quite another to foist it on a defenceless innocent.
It leads to what we see here and what hotroddy implies (well, 50% of what he implies) — the learned disgust at what is completely natural. See fyoucher1's post just above.
It's so weird to me, as I guess it is to circumcised non-Jewish, non-Muslim Americans.
What I don't get is why circumcised agnostic or atheistic Americans would do anything other than rail at the abuse metted at them by their parents.
- -fifth paragraph. Fucked editing.detritus
- My question is - what cult is it that Americans are being locked into?detritus
- To be honest, I could care less if you were born with a sombrero on it. But it is like wearing a turtleneck.fyoucher1
- Free Idea: Pink roll-up scarves for willies.detritus
- circumcision is very normal for non-jewish americans, actuallymonospaced
- it's not a religious thingmonospaced
- outside of religious ritual - which is its genesis, it's prevalence in the west began as a way to inhibit masturbation during the victorian era.Gnash
- as well as misguided ideas about cutting curing some mental disorders, among other nonsenseGnash
- Yea, mono, but have you ever asked yourself WHY it is normal to you?detritus
- I have been lately, that's for sure. I am doing it for the real health reasons, plus it looks better :)monospaced
- Not from over here they don't!detritus
- well, you're not a gorgeous woman :)monospaced
- you like cock mono ? because you are so concerned about the 'beauty' of it. btw I bet you can not tell the difference when its erectd_gitale
- stupid questionmonospaced
- Miguex2
The higyene defense is just as valid as calling anyone without one of these
a mud butt
- your butt will ALWAYS be cleaner after a rinse in the bidet.hotroddy
- Wet wipes yo!fyoucher1
- Shit in the shower.detritus
- ^
lolMiguex - only if you don't want to spend money on a toilet.hotroddy
- https://upload.wikim…pablo28
- yes, wet wipesmilfhunter
- http://www.japantren…mugwart
- or eat the right foods and your shit wont be so damn messy lolfuturefood
