oh SH!T - net neutrality
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- voiceof0
Net neutrality supporters in congress need to start presenting this issue as an attack on American small business and the entrepreneurial spirit the land was founded on. I fear we are getting closer and closer to losing NN with backlash to the Obama administration and this unfolded fear of socialism.
- ukit0
Exactly. The real danger is monopolism, not socialism.
- eating_tv0
Let me get this straight: The Tea Party want NN (which is a government take over of the internet) and -not- doing it is marxism? Whilst Obama wants Net Neutrality which is what, exactly? Communism? Whereas that same Tea Party wants smaller government? I don't get it. Did I get my facts wrong? Am I under a wrong impression?
- ukit0
Net neutrality is what we have now. Comcast, Verizon and AT&T, along with the big media conglomerates like News Corp and music and movie industry on the other hand would like to end it so they have more control over the internet.
In response to that, what the tech industry and Democrats want to do is simply pass a law ensuring that we keep the status quo (net neutrality). Make sense?
- abettertomorrow0
Wow, already? This is exactly what people were afraid of.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hu…
Level 3 Communications Inc., an Internet backbone company that supports Netflix Inc.'s increasingly popular movie streaming service, complained Monday that cable giant Comcast Corp. is charging it an unfair fee for the right to send data to its subscribers.
Comcast replied it is being swamped by a flood of data and needs to be paid.
Level 3 said it agreed to pay under protest, but that the fee violates the principles of an "open Internet." It also goes against the Federal Communications Commission's proposed rules preventing broadband Internet providers from favoring certain types of traffic, it said.
"Comcast is effectively putting up a toll booth at the borders of its broadband Internet access network, enabling it to unilaterally decide how much to charge for content," said Level 3's chief legal officer, Thomas Stortz, in a statement.
- honestIy0
you kinda have to favor some traffic over others. it's the equivalent of shipping feathers or lead.
I would charge more to ship lead because the weight as a factor drives up the cost of gas, need for maintenance etc
using more bandwidth and distributing to all interested parties has to require servers switches, networks, etc all capable of delivering the content, unless of course you want it for free at which point you can't expect it to stream live, maybe it will download overnight
one must pay to play
- abettertomorrow0
^ And yet...they haven't done it yet. And shit seems to be A OK.
- "kinda have to" seems like an overstatementabettertomorrow
- more an understatementhonestIy
- Boz0
This is why FCC is speeding up the rule in order to keep the internet open. They needed 3 democrats to bypass congress and it seems they will do it.
He's to hope they will succeed:
FCC Planning Net Neutrality Rule Vote Dec. 21
http://www.internetnews.com/gove…
- honestIy0
what do you mean "they haven't done it"? there are several packages available from comcast for the end customer regarding both upload and download speed. the more you pay the faster your download, pay even more and you're uploading faster. buy the cheapest package and you can barely stream live audio without repeated buffering. pay EVEN more and your business can have priority over other customers allowing your bandwidth to matter most causing other less paying customers to suffer slowed performance as it adjusts for higher paying clientele. this is how cox/roadrunner/comcast have been doing business for years.
- mrghost0
http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/30/…
"Netflix will have to raise its costs, because Level 3 has to raise costs to carry Netflix, and Comcast has to raise its costs to increase its bandwidth," he said. "But ultimately, that means the customers will pay for it."
But cutting through all the bickering, one harsh reality is becoming clear: Everyone's going to have to pay. Comcast will have to raise its fees and Level 3 will have to pay more for its traffic demands. Those fees will be borne by Netflix and Comcast -- and ultimately, they'll be passed onto you.
- drgz0
the sooner that shithole of a country america breaks up, the better for all
its unavoidable anyway, just put an end to it- um, no, i live here?scarabin
- um, fuck yourselfdrgz
- the sooner Norway freezes over... oh, wait - no one will notice.TenaciousG
- noooo... fuck YOU sirscarabin
- we're only addressing issues that have to be addressed eventually by someonescarabin
- norway would have done it if they were huge or importantscarabin
- honestIy0
if every customer base is increasing their load the entire system slows, hence requiring upgrades/maintenance = more $
- georgesIII0
You guys keep raising the bar,
thank you for rewriting the rules of what a democracy is.sincerely, thank you
- mrghost0
i wonder if the cost of internet will affect residency choices in the future.
like I can't live in NYC not because the rent is too damn high but the internet is too damn expensive.
- abettertomorrow0
honestly, the distinction is not regarding different levels of service that you pay for. Everyone is fine with the idea that you can buy 1mbps or 1.5mbps connection. You pay the $50 and know exactly what you are getting.
It;s the idea of speeding up or slowing down specific kinds of traffic, like only bittorrent, only video, or only video from Netflix. And leaving it all in one or two companies' hands to decide.
- bingo.. soon after they would control every piece of content you consume which is the REAL danger.Boz
- monNom0
should it be that all internet access gets more expensive to subsidize netflix, or should netflix get more expensive to pay for all their network load?
only reason they can do $8.99/mo is cause someone else is building the infrastructure they use.
- Thats not how it works though, see the comment belowabettertomorrow
- honestIy0
my point was that money will buy performance. in this case only end users are complaining. if netflix has such a wide base they also have a great commercially viable hold on their customers therefore allowing their traffic special treatment makes sense for those with economic interests. i see no problem with qbn slowing or staying bottlenecked to allow netflix more bandwidth. this is a game of numbers and always has been. imo a site serving millions of users deserve special treatment over a site serving thousands
- Then they just pay more - pretty simple, right?abettertomorrow
- abettertomorrow0
Again, its not like companies don't pay for the bandwidth they use. Netflix gets more customers, sure they pay more. Google pays a small fortune everyday and has something like 100 data centers around the world to serve their website.
The net neutrality principle is that there are different tiers of service, but within those tiers all data is treated equally. It's like you are buying a plane or bus ticket, maybe you paid for a first class ticket or a coach ticket. But they shouldn't be able to give you shittier service just because you are black or a woman or work for the rival airline.
- Boz0
^ so what..the whole economics of internet is Comcast or whatever charging consumers who use Netflix a monthly fee.
So I pay $80 for a 100mbps internet.. Netflix is paying their data farms but they shouldn't pay for Comcast improving their infrustructure.
What kind of logic is that? Millions of people pay Comcast a monthly fee to use bandwith. What content they consume and what site they visit is not Comcast's too control or censor. That's the whole point of Net Neutrality.
If Comcast sees a higher need from it's consumers (like all of us) to consume more bandwith, they can raise the price, improve their infrustructure and allow me to pay them more to use more speed/bandwith. THAT is their business. Nothing else and they shouldn't be allowed to interfere or control anything else..
They don't like it? Bow out, someone else will come in and make the infrustructure that works.
This is the same type of "too big too fail" mentality so we now have to pay the toll because we are being blackmailed by the cable companies. They can go fuck themselves.