oh SH!T - net neutrality
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- Hombre_Lobo_20
Petition link anyone?
i think its ok to charge for different internet speeds, but to charge for different packages allowing you to access different websites is ridiculous.
Its such a shame that some powerful americans can have this crazy idea, which will undoubtedly if accept will filter down to other countries and eventually the world.
- honestIy0
ABT, i think i see what you're saying, and i'm not trying to argue, is that netflix should cover the cost to comcast to handle the load their content/subscribers create?
- I think everyone agrees on that - the tricky part comes when Comcast says "we need to raise the rate" and there's no recourseabettertomorrow
- recourse because they pretty much control the internetabettertomorrow
- abettertomorrow0
Here you go, write your Congressman
- Hombre_Lobo_20
ty ABT.
just need an american address now...
- lolabettertomorrow
- done!
kansas style. good old street view.Hombre_Lobo_2
- SteveJobs0
that preferential treatment mentality hurts potential growth, and it leaves the door open for anyone with deep pockets to own a market and weed out would-be competition. to me this goes against the whole idea of the internet which has always been a level playing field.
- Hombre_Lobo_20
exactly honestly,
the internet will become like tv if net neutrality is crushed.
- abettertomorrow0
"this goes against the whole idea of the internet which has always been a level playing field"
Exactly, and you can bet the big media companies like NBC and News Corp hate that aspect of the internet. In their eyes they should have been able to march in and set up NBCTube and Foxbook and reap millions - how the fuck did these startups clock them so throughly?
- Notice that every decent web company was set up by tech entrepeneurs and not these bigwig corporations. It's kind of sad to think what TV or radio could have been if they had been kept equally openabettertomorrow
- sad to think what TV or radio could have been if they had been kept equally openabettertomorrow
- sad to think what TV or radio could have been if they had been kept equally openabettertomorrow
- monNom0
I don't get it, are you guys in favour of comcast charging you more to build out the infrastructure to support netflix subscribers? shouldn't that cost be put back on netflix (and therfore its subscribers)?
it should be noted that your 1Mb residential connection is really 1Mb/s peak, which is allocated based on stop/start downloading of webpages, and generally during at home time (not office hours). If all of a sudden everyone is streaming 1Mb/s consistently, the whole pricing model for the exisiting infrastructure goes out the door.
- monNom0
also important to note is this is 'last mile' infrastructure that needs to be built out to residential areas, not plugging in some more hardware in a datafarm.
- DrBombay0
I see your point but I pay almost 50 bucks a month for 7MB/sec down. So does everyone with that package. I use a lot of that bandwidth but I would reckon 75% use nowhere near that much bandwidth. So that is why I am like fuck Comcast.
- honestIy0
i don't think anyone (or at least very many) who went into the tech business thought to themselves "let's keep this cheap and difficult and no matter what we are not in it to get rich."
greed is good.
where do you think innovation comes from? maybe 1% is for the good of mankind, the other 99% wants a damn dollar.
- SteveJobs0
that's a pretty bleak view of life, but even if that's true, the current model has been working fine, particularly in this last decade and such a radical change should not be up to a corporation, but rather the people.
- coming from your nick, i'm astounded you can look past the reality of my viewhonestIy
- because the real SJ doesn't mind 3rd world labor mining for battery minerals for his profit marginhonestIy
- i don't disagree entirely, but rather i think it's a lame basis for any such justification.SteveJobs
- you usually do disagree with me entirely so i'm not surprised by your soapboxhonestIy
- haha, do i? nothing personal :)SteveJobs
- abettertomorrow0
I think some of you are missing the point. Comcast and Netflix are competitors in the TV and movie business.
Currently I can pay $50+ a month for Comcast cable TV and even more for pay per view movies in the traditional model. Or I can pay $9.99 a month to stream much of that content over Netflix.
Now how can you possibly say Comcast doesn't have a conflict of interest here when they decide to target Netflix with a rate increase? They are killing off an innovative service to protect what is basically a monopoly in many parts of the country.
- i think the word basically can be removed from that statementhonestIy
- abettertomorrow0
Actually, read this, this guy explains it better than I can
- honestIy0
so let me get this straight, you're all complaining about net neutrality while pretty much every product available for sale was produced in a so called third world country usually at an equivalence to slave labor?
priority misalignment detected.
funny you care about the cost and ability to browse the net but working conditions for another human being is not your problem?
- abettertomorrow0
lol, there are also kids starving in Africa, whats your point? This is something that is being decided right now, that affects the tech/ web design industry directly.
- you care more about personal expectations than human welfare, don't wonder what's going wronghonestIy
- Anyway conditions in those countries, lets be honest here, are ultimately the responsibility of their own governmentsabettertomorrow
- Do you think workers there are worse off because American companies have manufacturing plants there?abettertomorrow
- yes the people are worse off when they have no option but to work for dick all for imperialistic american corporationsDodecahedron
- ....corporations.Dodecahedron
- Get back on topic.DrBombay
- No option? Really?abettertomorrow
- yeah in many cases. that or don't work considering all the other jobs are out of business or goneDodecahedron
- people in china, south pacific south america etc are literally forced to workDodecahedron
- No one should ever talk about anything except Americans indirectly enslaving the planet.DrBombay
- just sayingDodecahedron
- Canadians, Europeans and westernized Asia don't own iPods, they are only owned by AmericansDrBombay
- Gimme ur rare-earth metalzDrBombay
- i should say 'international corporations' because there's manyDodecahedron
- Not sure what it has to do with Net Neutrality.DrBombay
- because we're not supposed to talk about net neutrality if we don't care about poor people being exploited for computersDodecahedron
- I care damn it!Dodecahedron
- Dodecahedron0
Whatever happend to just buying your competition out?
- kgvs720
I have a strange feeling that there are corporate interests that want the Internet to be a utility; just like water, gas, and electricity. Indispensable and charge users for every single fucking bit you download/upload.
- If that does happen, I hope there's regulation on pricing.kgvs72
- like toll road?honestIy
- You could put it that way. You pay depending the amount you use.kgvs72
- quit hoping and look whats in front of you. Read the bill. It is all about power and controlVikingKingEleven
- maikel0
if the internet turns into another premium-pack tv kind shit, it is time to get back to hacking, old folks...
anybody remember about NUAs NUIs and blueboxing?