my thoughs on HTML5
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- SoulFly
I've run into a fully developed HTML5 website, and let me tell you I'm really disappointed with the direction this is taking. Recently I played some games and the graphics were horrible and immature, but that did not bother me so much. But this does bother me.
I don't want to give out the name of the site, out of respect, but this is what it was: You pretty much write down your address, or where you grew up, and then a music band video will incorporate the google earth map of your said hometown into the video. So if a kid is running through streets, he is superimposed in the background of the google maps real street address you specified, etc. In addition there was about 100 pop-ups and window-resizes to go with it, and the icing in the cake was the beach ball of death when I try closing out of it.In other words - HTML5 to me is the same as the most annoying Javascripts of the late 1990's (background color flickering, status bar scrolling, time and date). SO FAR I'm dissapointed with HTML5 - and I hope that changes for the better.
- twokids0
i have yet to see this but I agree with your sentiment. i see all these apple fanatics that cannot wait for the death of flash now. and people who previously LOVED flash. I dont think flash is the greatest program or anything but tell me how you are going to create certain interactive content? The video part is easy to understand, it was just a wrapper, but the interactive animation toolkit that flash is enables you to create sophisticated things. why is that bad again?
there has to be a program out there like flash to do certain things, doesnt there? people are killing themselves (i know some) trying to figure out how to run flash content on an ipad....jailbreak, frash..etc.
maybe adobe needed to scale it for lower speed processor on phones and so on, but i do not see what is going to take its place.....so you have learn to be a coder to do anything interactive online now? awesome.
the quality WILL lower unless there is a program like flash.
- The death of flash has been a wee bit exaggerated.flashbender
- I'm an Apple fan (mostly; I have no need for an iPad at all), and I love Flash.Continuity
- spraycanII0
html 5 is overrated, let alone the browser pussie evangelists who are pushing this forward, we need a browser dictatorship, only one browser that fucking works.
- nosaj0
I felt the same. The small pop up windows where terrible - I was hoping for much more... It felt like 1999.
- seed0
I don't get your point. It is a makup language. I'm sure everything you are talking about wasn't done in just HTML 5. Plus people usually go too far with any new technology that comes out. Think of the early day of Flash on certain sites. Not the tools fault.
- ukit0
What do the pop up windows have to do with HTML5?
- nosaj0
Great song though!
- ukit0
I mean cmon guys at least know what it is you are complaining about before pressing Broadcast :P
- Continuity0
HTML5 isn't a total wash, in this context. It did exactly what it said it would do; which is to say, let you watch the video.
- ifeltdave0
the rise of html5 is just going to mean that you have to understand more than ever the proper use of a technology. Flash will still have it's place for quite sometime. It's not going to die overnight, no matter what Steve Jobs wishes.
Mobile is taking over the scene, this we know for sure. We also know that the vast majority of mobile users have devices that simply cannot support a flash experience, even one optimized specifically for mobile devices. As other tablets start to compete with the iPad, I'm sure we'll see flash experiences on these devices that rival performance on an average desktop.
We're talking about technology here, people. Tech changes, and we change with it or we become obsolete.. plain and simple. Its always been the case and it will continue to be the case for the foreseeable future.
Adapt or be eaten.
- ideaist0
True innovation (using flash) -> http://www.beonlineb.com/ a year (or so) before this HTML5 mess from our friends, Arcade Fire...
- ukit0
And, guess what, eventually someone will invent a keyframe-based IDE for animating CANVAS.
What gets me is people venting angrily about something they have no idea about. I bet most of you complaining couldn't even pinpoint what aspects of HTML5 were used in that site. And even if you could, it's just one site (which a lot of people liked obviously).
- half the time i'm here, I'm thinkin, "are these people trolling? or are they really that dumb?"kpl
- ifeltdave0
Also, speaking of Flash as an animation platform, its complete garbage. Sure, it's been used to create some killer web animations and I believe its even been used in some TV animation production. However, the tool itself, the Flash IDE, is complete and utter garbage.
I love Flash and what it can do for interactive design, but Adobe really needs to fix the tool they expect us to use. Something like After Effects works pretty well, though even that isn't perfect, for an animation workflow. Flash is full of holes and bugs that make using it a headache.
- http://www.beonlineb…ideaist
- Flash as and IDE has issues, mostly fixed with CS5 but CS4 is still better than coding.CyBrain
- ukit0
Bottom line,
Is HTML5 a replacement for everything Flash does today? No
Will it be someday? Yes
Will there be better tools for it by then? Yes
Will you, from time to time, have to learn new stuff? Yes
Did the popups on that site have anything at all to do with HTML5? No
- nocomply0
Like many things it's great when used appropriately and in moderation. Using it just for the sake of doing HTML 5 is going to get you the crap you described.
That being said, it's still not supported well enough for me to be doing much with it so I can't claim to be a master at it.
- Continuity0
@ifeltdave
I'm going to disagree that mobile is taking over the scene, for one very simple reason:
Productivity.
With the sole exception of laptops, both Mac OS and Windows, there's simple no way of being productive with any of the current mobile phones masquerading as computers.
So far, none of the long-stanging existing productivity suites have been migrated to mobile - and I'm talking about the basics, like Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Adobe CS and the list goes on.
The reason for this is that it's simply impractical. Imagine trying to work with vectors on a complex beer label job (for example) with your fingers on the iPad. Or trying to code HTML and CSS quickly on an Android device. It simply doesn't work. The form factors and computing power simply prohibits this sort of usage of the devices. For Christ's sakes, I had to jailbreak my 3G just to be able to find a 3rd party app that would let me read a PDF, at the time! (And it wasn't very ergo, reading something that small.)
First and foremost, these things are phones. Secondarily, they are Web-enabled devices, and they simply don't measure up to the specs of current desktop or laptop machines by any stretch of the imagination. So, your obvious limitations in using these things online is for reading a website, checking email and using mobile versions of popular IM apps, like Skype.
So long as computers are primarily workhorses and productivity machines (and 3D gaming machines, by extention), mobile Web-enabled devices will be relegated to a gadget that allows you to stop small Web gaps until you can sit down at a real computer.
Ergo: rumours Flash's pending demise is greatly exaggerated.
- Cell phones are for quick communication; not true experiences... Well spoken Continuity...ideaist
- I think he was referring to internet use. Not design work. Also, MS apps are on mobile.seed
- yeah i meant more internet / browsing. desktops are w/o a doubt the workhorses in the showifeltdave
- and i disagree that first they are phones. these days, they are mini-PCs first, phones secondifeltdave
- Then why is it called an iPhone? :)Continuity
- i didnt name the POS!! hahaifeltdave
- mrdoob0
Regarding the popups:
http://www.qbn.com/editors_choic…I'm also disappointed of how slow MacOS browsers deal with some specific HTML5 <canvas> methods. But I won't say CoreGraphics suck just because of that.
- vaxorcist0
in the beginning of most new layout technologies, lots of crap gets produced just because it's possible, and because the people who are first-adopters are often not the most visually subtle.....
remember the typographic atrocoties from late 80's pagemaker?