my thoughs on HTML5
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- ideaist0
"This film is processor intensive.
Please shut down other programs and close unnecessary browser tabs. Doing this will enhance your viewing experience. Thanks."- It's heavy weight and inefficient...ideaist
- ...Exactly the opposite of what early adopters promised...ideaist
- ...& this is google developers working on it; leaving me to believe it's prime is 5-10 years off...ideaist
- Nonsenseukit
- this film is processor-intensive... just pour in more C-41 Stabilizer... hah!vaxorcist
- except there's apple, mozilla and other engineers in the mix too. open source.kpl
- ETM0
HTML5 can do some (a few) things well now, maybe more efficient than Flash. If it's supported, go for it.
Flash still does A LOT of things well (when used right), so when needed, use it.
Put on the shoe that fits for the day you have. There is not one answer. As far back as I can recall, nothing's been black or white, so why start now?
- ukit0
Either way, I think the die is cast. Because of the efforts of people like mr.doob - guys who are doing cutting edge work are attacking this stuff and not Flash. As well as the support of industry types. How many times did Google namedrop HTML5 during their developer's conference?
Anyway, it's a fun debate...but I don't think anyone has much to worry about because the transition will probably take years. For now, it's something new that's there for people who want to learn it.
- I think people are throwing money at it 'cause Apple & Google have named it a future standard...ideaist
- & attempting to be cutting edge is all most people have in their lives; never producing anything original...ideaist
- ... or anything with true lasting power...ideaist
- It's not just that...a lot of the leading people in the industry do genuinely believe in standardsukit
- leaders of the industry are experimenting and learning the new technology. followers whine.kpl
- zaq0
You know after learning what HTML5 can do I must say that I am very impress with it and I am looking into that now. Considering that Flash is still bringing me bread to the table I am planning to abandon it soon completely.
Take a look at that presentation
http://slides.html5rocks.com/#sl…Flash will still exists for the next couple of years, however I am not betting on it. Especially under Adobe.
- son..those slides are flash like 10 years ago.. What exactly are you blown away by?Boz
- vaxorcist0
HTML5 is cool, just beware of any in-house power-lunch and powerpoint sales-jockeys promising clients that things will actually work on most computers....
- Continuity0
^ With any luck, by the time the Web landscape changes the way Jobs and Google hope it will, I'll have long-retired from advertising and design, and opened up my seaside bistro in the south of France, and it won't matter to me.
- @ukitContinuity
- ha!ukit
- nice... i'm in Creemore, Ontario, Canada where cutting edge technology matters as much as the traffic in Toronto...ideaist
- ideaist0
Their are 2 internets forming; a developer-based functionality driven version that often lacks in aesthetics and a form driven, still flash-based designer focused one that isn't experienced the same across platform...
It's almost like the loss of a middle class in the U.S.A. with things getting more polarized from a technology stand point...
- ukit0
I guess I underestimate how attached some of you are to Flash. I worked in Flash for a decent chunk of my career, but don't you want to learn different things after a while?? I thought that was half the fun of this sort of work.
- I want to master a time-tested technology (like flash) where I can control the experience I hope to bring to the public...ideaist
- I don't get it either. I've waited for Flash to grow up for years. When it was clear it never would, I jumped ship.kpl
- ...Staying "current" with technology is a full-time job for die-hard developers...ideaist
- I'm a designer who refuses to become the jack of all trades, master of none the again ad industry demands...ideaist
- aging ad industry sorry...ideaist
- ...Constantly jumping technology trends to try and stay ahead of the trends...ideaist
- ...Never admitting that they have been outpaced, outthought and ultimately defeated...ideaist
- ...by the public they used to rely on for complacency...ideaist
- haha, naw cmon lolukit
- Continuity0
Sure, learning something new is fun. But it's got to be stripped of hype, for one thing. For another, there really does need to be a cooling-off period between changes or advance, so that people can master the tools and exploit them to their full potential, so that there's something to build on.
Personally, I don't think Flash has been fully exploited yet, but it's largely up to Adobe, now, to look at their IDE and their platform and identify new opportunities for real progress.
- mrdoob0
"It's heavyweight and inefficient..." - ideaist
Ha! You clearly know what you're talking about...
Ukit has made it quite clear (I don't know if it was in this thread or the other one....). HTML5 is pretty much 1 year old. And I think the Arcade Fire music video shows quite well what can be done with it one year after. With WebGL seems like evolution will continue at the same rate. I can't even start to imagine how next year's Arcade Fire music video will look like, and I spend quite a lot of time messing with all this...
- you can take a prius on the racetrack going 110mph and it'll seem heavy and inefficient.kpl
- It's an inefficient use of powerful technologies in order to create an underwhelming experience...ideaist
- & Prius is about to release a version with audio mimicking real engine nosies...ideaist
- ...because it finds itself too different than it's bulky predecessors to gain public acceptance...ideaist
- ideaist0
Nerds are the new jocks and this exodus to HTML5 "standards" so soon is simply these cats flexing their nuts and saying "Hey, I'm current!"
Computers weren't cool 10 years ago when we were all shaping the visual world; off and online.
Then designers were cool as they could get away with a lot using flash-based technology and macromedia director back in the day...
Now, it is shifting to the age of the developer where only they can create cross platform "experiences" using cutting edge standards defined by industry leaders...
Surely an interesting time for technology...
- aaaaand, HTML5 hype is now a product of personal moral failings. time to repent, you fucks.kpl
- i'll repent all day and night you cocky shithead; not my fault the bartender cut you off last night... ; )ideaist
- ...not finding the man of your dreams out their in san fran? ; )ideaist
- rubbin' is racin'...ideaist
- PIZZA0
Flash's greatest advantage over HTML/JS was the animation timeline/IDE... and they left it to fucking rot to please developers over creatives.
The fucking thing can barely handle basic animation without dropping the odd frame, it's pathetic. The technology has scaled up really badly with resolutions, very rare to see a 2010 resolution full flash site that runs at anywhere near a respectable framerate.
Face facts it's become a dead end, it will be a slow transition but in 3/4 years when we're all enjoying hardware accelerated WebGL content then wonder why we wanted to hold onto it so much.
I fucking dread working in Flash since learning how wonderful After Effects is to animate and work in.
- +1mrdoob
- I have to agree, there. Creatives got left out.Continuity
- developers are the new creatives apparently... and adobe concurs...ideaist
- Creatives were always developers when it came to Flashukit
- Unless you can name someone doing amazing Flash work who doesn't programukit
- whatsup0
They should have skipped HTML 5 and go to HTML 6